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EA=/=Valve

EA = Publisher

Valve = Publisher/Developer with notably higher PR rep

If anything the developer should have its own store for games, but EA is just a publisher, and if anything it mostly only offers EA games. Valve on the other hand offers their games, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Indie and im sure a great many other games.
So what you're saying is the developer should sell their own stuff? Not the publisher?
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EA=/=Valve

EA = Publisher

Valve = Publisher/Developer with notably higher PR rep

If anything the developer should have its own store for games, but EA is just a publisher, and if anything it mostly only offers EA games. Valve on the other hand offers their games, EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Indie and im sure a great many other games.
This is a good point. As much as I wouldn't like it, I would probably still buy BF3 if DICE had their own client.

For me, the sometimes higher costs (or perhaps more accurate, not-as-low prices) on Steam are offset by the advantages of backing up my games.

To all those claiming that previous games only were downloaded and activated through Origin, BF3 will require Origin to run so you will need it running to play the game.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think it would be too hard (meaning I'm sure Steam and EA/DICE could have worked something out) where people who buy the game on Steam use Steam for DLC and if you buy it on Origin, you use Origin. If EA wants me to hop over to Origin, let me activate my copies from Steam on Origin (at least EA games). Then I would love to try it out. But their current method to me is flawed and I won't support it. If you don't agree with me, so be it, but I'll use my money to support what I feel needs supporting.

Again, the argument that "ZOMG, Steam did the same thing and you support them" doesn't really work at this point with Steam as developed and accepted as it is. If Origin and Steam were released at the same time then it would be relevant.
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Nice article, but I don't care for the whole BF3 not being on Steam debate. I personally just want to play the game. Origin isn't THAT bad and is pretty decent. Steam is convenient for sure since you just double click on the icon and it loads the program. People like that their games are in one area, but I don't really care if my games are scattered across my desktop like the old days.
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Nice article, but I don't care for the whole BF3 not being on Steam debate. I personally just want to play the game. Origin isn't THAT bad and is pretty decent. Steam is convenient for sure since you just double click on the icon and it loads the program. People like that their games are in one area, but I don't really care if my games are scattered across my desktop like the old days.
I agree with you on those points. Some people don't care where their games are stored or if they have the community aspects or have other concerns. People do things differently and expect different things from services and quite a few people don't understand that. I personally like Steam for more reasons but what is important to me doesn't matter to many people.
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As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think it would be too hard (meaning I'm sure Steam and EA/DICE could have worked something out) where people who buy the game on Steam use Steam for DLC and if you buy it on Origin, you use Origin. If EA wants me to hop over to Origin, let me activate my copies from Steam on Origin (at least EA games). Then I would love to try it out. But their current method to me is flawed and I won't support it. If you don't agree with me, so be it, but I'll use my money to support what I feel needs supporting.

Again, the argument that "ZOMG, Steam did the same thing and you support them" doesn't really work at this point with Steam as developed and accepted as it is. If Origin and Steam were released at the same time then it would be relevant.
As with many many many others you are only seeing what you want to see because you want what you want and aren't seeing why it only makes total sense for EA to do what they are doing.

How many PC pre-orders are there for BF3?

2 million?

3 million?

Who knows tbh. Lets just say 1 million for the sake of argument.

Now that 1 million pre-orders is basically a guaranteed user base for their new baby named Origin that is just trying to get on its feet.

They MAY be able to secure another 250k pre-orders if they open the game up to steam, but they may also lose 500k on their guaranteed install base for their new business venture.

In business, you dont try to make money one time, you attempt to make sure that you are able to continue making money in the future. A supporting user base will allow this, just as steams user base supports it.

By securing at least a couple million PC pre-orders as a regular user base for Origin, they are helping the platform get on its feet by giving it and their game library wide exposure.

Sure they could open it up to steam, but if steam is already so prevalent on PC gamers computers, then they may end up just getting steamrolled by Steams popup ads and they could lose much of their potential user base and Origin as a platform could end up just being totally overshadowed.

Then they'd have to work at getting that userbase to a healthy number again before they can attempt to get their overall system rolling so they can actually improve it and refine the whole experience.

However, by making sure that they get Origin running at least semi-frequently on a large number of PC gamers systems, they will have jumped that hurdle already and will find it easier to get their whole system moving.

You may not like it, but its not for you to like it at the end of the day.

Its EA doing what they have to do to give Origin a big head start in its business life.

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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy
The problem with your and many others COMPLETE and FINAL commitment to steam is that:

-If people didn't support steam so vehemently, the idea of making ones games exclusive to your own download client wouldn't be such a "mainstream" idea now.

-Therefore, if steam didn't have so many users that literally invested so much time and money into steam that they've basically trapped themselves to the point where not using steam is a huge inconvenience, this problem actually wouldn't exist

-If people wanted to kill the idea of having to download a client to play a publishers game, people should have rallied against Steam, not Origin. Instead, Steam is publicised by its supporters as pure gold.

-Its too late to cry out now. You put the poison in the cake with all your support. You cant now complain when you get ill of your own doing.

Conclusion:

If you didn't want publishers having the idea of making their games exclusive to their own gaming clients, you shouldn't have supported Steam with "thousands" of game play hours and spent "hundreds" on their client.

It is essentially YOU who are the cause of this "too many companies with download clients" situation, by showing the world and other publishers, that you and millions of others think its okay to do so with your undying support.


If you would like to bring up the "but the cheap games/social/x feature is why we support Steam", it is even worse.

You dont agree with publishers pushing their own clients, but will support vehemently, those who give you cheap games or something else on the side.

You basically showed a weak spine towards your so called morals/ideals and bent sideways at the sight of saving some quids off your next purchases, ignoring the fact that supporting steam, is supporting the idea of a publisher making their games available to play only on their individual download client.

Even if its for another reason you support steam, while frowning upon the idea of a publishers wanting you to use their client to run a game, you're simply showing that you will support an idea you dont agree with, as long as you get a "backhander" that will temporarily hush your concerns as long as you get your "bit".


I hope I have awakened some people with this post as it seems many just follow the pitchfork train without really thinking about things properly.

If you are so invested into steam that literally using anything else will hinder your gaming experience, you have noone else to blame for any future publishers pushing their own clients but yourselves.

Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/19/11 at 12:28pm
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I think you fail to realize, GrizzleBoy, that you are also seeing only what you want to see. I don't disagree with you in any way on your points about WHY EA is doing it. But that is separate from whether I think they SHOULD be doing it that way. It IS for me to like or no like at the end of the day as I am the end consumer.

I don't have a problem with a single program and I don't have a problem with EA wanting a slice of the pie. But that doesn't mean I'm going to go buy the game and support EA for it. The issue (for me, please don't generalize) is not that a company wants us to use their program for the game. It is that EA wants me to use Origin. I am opposed to this instance and their method of deployment. So go ahead and continue to call me an unawakened person rather than realize that while you think you understand this situation and intentions and history of the people both buying and selling the game, you are in reality no better off on that front than anyone else.
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Doesn't matter to me really. If this is how PC publishers and developers are going to act, I'll be picking it up for Xbox 360.

I'm not having several clients with the same purpose on my computer because they want me to.
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I'm kind of seeing a pattern of non-US members on OCN having either an issue with Steam or no qualm with it not featuring this title.

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Doesn't matter to me really. If this is how PC publishers and developers are going to act, I'll be picking it up for Xbox 360.

I'm not having several clients with the same purpose on my computer because they want me to.
Enjoy 12 vs 12 Battlefield?
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As with many many many others you are only seeing what you want to see because you want what you want and aren't seeing why it only makes total sense for EA to do what they are doing.

How many PC pre-orders are there for BF3?

2 million?

3 million?

Who knows tbh. Lets just say 1 million for the sake of argument.

Now that 1 million pre-orders is basically a guaranteed user base for their new baby named Origin that is just trying to get on its feet.

They MAY be able to secure another 250k pre-orders if they open the game up to steam, but they may also lose 500k on their guaranteed install base for their new business venture.

In business, you dont try to make money one time, you attempt to make sure that you are able to continue making money in the future. A supporting user base will allow this, just as steams user base supports it.

By securing at least a couple million PC pre-orders as a regular user base for Origin, they are helping the platform get on its feet by giving it and their game library wide exposure.

Sure they could open it up to steam, but if steam is already so prevalent on PC gamers computers, then they may end up just getting steamrolled by Steams popup ads and they could lose much of their potential user base and Origin as a platform could end up just being totally overshadowed.

Then they'd have to work at getting that userbase to a healthy number again before they can attempt to get their overall system rolling so they can actually improve it and refine the whole experience.

However, by making sure that they get Origin running at least semi-frequently on a large number of PC gamers systems, they will have jumped that hurdle already and will find it easier to get their whole system moving.

You may not like it, but its not for you to like it at the end of the day.

Its EA doing what they have to do to give Origin a big head start in its business life.
What are you on, crack? Regular user base? The only two games that can do anything for Origin right now is BF3 and SWTOR. And as much as I've been dying for SWTOR since KOTOR itself came out, I will NOT play it if I am required to run origin to play it every time I want to hop on and play. The only game that can actually bring in users WILL be BF3, and after that there will be nothing to upkeep or bring in more users to Origin. It's PC gaming after all. They'll REALLY hurt their sales trying to press this on games that aren't poised to make as big a hit as BF3. Origin is only going to be a malware-style program for BF3 players. Not a "business model".

It's a shame, wish EA didn't have the publishing rights to this.
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I think you fail to realize, GrizzleBoy, that you are also seeing only what you want to see. I don't disagree with you in any way on your points about WHY EA is doing it. But that is separate from whether I think they SHOULD be doing it that way. It IS for me to like or no like at the end of the day as I am the end consumer.

I don't have a problem with a single program and I don't have a problem with EA wanting a slice of the pie. But that doesn't mean I'm going to go buy the game and support EA for it. The issue (for me, please don't generalize) is not that a company wants us to use their program for the game. It is that EA wants me to use Origin. I am opposed to this instance and their method of deployment. So go ahead and continue to call me an unawakened person rather than realize that while you think you understand this situation and intentions and history of the people both buying and selling the game, you are in reality no better off on that front than anyone else.
Im not simply seeing what I want to see at all.

The very fact that that you think they should do it a certain way, when all other logic suggests they should do it how they actually are doing it in order to be successful, means you are missing a part of the picture somewhere.

If you agree with me on EAs reasoning for doing what they are doing, then I can only while you at the same time give a groan and say "ahhhh but they should have done it like THIS ".

This type of thinking shows that its less about what they SHOULD do, and simply more about what you WANT them to do in order to appease you.

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The issue (for me, please don't generalize) is not that a company wants us to use their program for the game. It is that EA wants me to use Origin.
If you're going to go back to the "I dont like/trust EA" thing or the "I dont want to support seperate companies bringing out their own clients for their games" thing, I'm going to say once again.

If you did not want this kind of thing to happen, supporting the system EA now sees as popular enough and accepted enough by the masses (that includes yourself) was the wrong thing to do and its too late for you to be upset at the idea when you accept and embrace it as long as it suits you..
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