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Doesn't matter to me really. If this is how PC publishers and developers are going to act, I'll be picking it up for Xbox 360.

I'm not having several clients with the same purpose on my computer because they want me to.
What purpose does that serve, EA still gets your money and your getting an inferior version. Why not just skip out altogether?
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What are you on, crack? Regular user base? The only two games that can do anything for Origin right now is BF3 and SWTOR. And as much as I've been dying for SWTOR since KOTOR itself came out, I will NOT play it if I am required to run origin to play it every time I want to hop on and play. The only game that can actually bring in users WILL be BF3, and after that there will be nothing to upkeep or bring in more users to Origin. It's PC gaming after all. They'll REALLY hurt their sales trying to press this on games that aren't poised to make as big a hit as BF3. Origin is only going to be a malware-style program for BF3 players. Not a "business model".

It's a shame, wish EA didn't have the publishing rights to this.
You may have heard of a game franchise called the Sims.

I've heard it sells quite well. Only one of the most purchased games of all time.

Also, you are widely overestimating how much effect the "I'm not buying x if I have to use Origin" crowd will have.

The amount of people who will starve themselves of games they've been itching for is not very high. People couldn't even keep up a MW2 boycott.

Also yes, userbase.

Regular, userbase.

If two million people buy BF3 on PC, thats two million people who now have Origin on their PC.

If BF3 does really well and people hear how awesome it is, others who couldn't give a monkeys backside about publisher loyalty will jump on the ship.

By the end of next year, EA could have millions more with Origin on their PC, with a userbase that grows and grows year on year.

You seem to forget, that when people play Battlefield, they play it forever. Battlefield 2 is STILL selling to this day. Servers are still populated to this day. I still play it to this day.

If DICE get the same kind of following with BF3 (and with the game looking as awesome as it does....) they will have a regular userbase that will only grow with time.

Simply by keeping BF3 exclusive to them.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/19/11 at 1:28pm
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You seem to forget, that when people play Battlefield, they play it forever. Battlefield 2 is STILL selling to this day. Servers are still populated to this day. I still play it to this day.
I actually just bought Battlefield 2 again a few weeks ago since I lost my boxed copy forever ago. So you're totally right.

I got it on Steam tho~ <3 :3

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It's a shame, wish EA didn't have the publishing rights to this.
It could be worse. Ubisoft could be publishing it.
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I personally don't think Origin is a bad client. Actually, I kind of like it. I don't, however, like my games scattered across multiple clients. I like all my games in one place, and that's why I love steam.
Exactly. It's a case of first in best dressed. Steam got in early.

If anyone wants to beat steam, they need to have better features, better support, better prices, and so on.

You can't beat something by making lots of cheap and nasty imitations. See developers trying to de-throne COD.
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I will NOT play it if I am required to run origin to play it every time I want to hop on and play
But you wouldn't have any problem if instead of Origin you would have to run Steam everytime you'd want to hop on and play, hypocrisy at it's finest.
Edited by Telimektar - 8/19/11 at 2:33pm
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Steam and Origin both suck. I'd rather not have to use either of them to play a game...
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Ultimately Origin is still in its infancy which could be a reason as to why its not rich in features like Steam. I've heard people say Origin has the potential to be a great service... Why start at square one when a highly polished service already exists right there.

Today more than ever 'community' means a lot to gaming, in some cases even fuels it. Steam has a massive community with it even becoming a buzzword. I suppose given the opportunity origin may build in grandeur too but once again why? If you're hungry you buy an apple, not plant an apple seed anticipating it to fruit.
Edited by Laten - 8/19/11 at 2:53pm
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Steam and Origin both suck. I'd rather not have to use either of them to play a game...

I agree with Majin.

Why do i have to have steam or origin to play a damn game, why couldn't they just make you download it to your desktop or something and than have an online friends system and chat in game?
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Exactly. It's a case of first in best dressed. Steam got in early.

If anyone wants to beat steam, they need to have better features, better support, better prices, and so on.

You can't beat something by making lots of cheap and nasty imitations. See developers trying to de-throne COD.
Cheap and nasty is an opinion.

Your opinion.

Your opinion is not factual.

I actually think Origin is absolutely fine. I'm sure there are many others worldwide who are not tethered to steam that would agree.

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Ultimately Origin is still in its infancy which could be a reason as to why its not rich in features like Steam. I've heard people say Origin has the potential to be a great service... Why start at square one when a highly polished service already exists right there.

Today more than ever 'community' means a lot to gaming, in some cases even fuels it. Steam has a massive community with it even becoming a buzzword. I suppose given the opportunity origin may build in grandeur too but once again why? If you're hungry you buy an apple, not plant an apple seed anticipating it to fruit.
Origin is months old.

Of course it wont have everything Steam has, and it possibly never will.

You are however, making the mistake of thinking that everyone who has steam even cares about everything that Steam has.

The social side of Steam never meant a thing to me, same with all the "steam sales" or backups or whatever.

I just like to play games that I enjoy.

It just so happens that I needed to install Steam to play them (TF2). Sound farmiliar?

I am just ONE out of a large number of people who simply use steam because I had to in order to play a certain game. (even the MW2 I got free with my 5850 came with steamworks)

Just like there are soon to be many people worldwide who will be using Origin because they need it in order to play a game they want to play.

You are badly mistaken if you think there are so many in the world who value their game launcher as much as people make out here.

Even more so if you believe there are enough people out there who wouldn't use a service to support EA. Just look at the sales numbers for EA sports titles or the retail titan that is The Sims, despite the online pass etc etc etc.

The vast majority of gamers buy games to play games that may happen to require clients. They dont install clients to buy/play games.

I truly think that some people are so supportive of a client, that their whole reality in regards to that has been jumbled and twisted.

Steam and Origin are one in the same at their core, just that steam has a load of other stuff covering up that core that happens to be relevant enough to certain peoples interests that they ignore that core.

For those that simply want to play their games, Steam = Origin.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/19/11 at 3:32pm
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I'm kind of torn on the whole issue, much like I am over EA in general. I don't like their business practices (day one DLC, DLC in general, rushing game deadlines, buying out established studios and changing everything that made me like them, etc.), but since they've managed to buy out some of my favorite developers over the years, I have no choice but to either buy their products or give up on a large section of the market completely.

Regarding Steam vs Origin...I don't have a problem with Steam. I do have a problem with developers tacking on extra BS like EA did with DA:O (EA DLC service), or 2K did with Bioshock 2 (GFWL). I just don't see the point in having to log in to multiple services to play 1 game. If EA has to choose between tacking on extra login screens or simply providing their own service, I'd rather they just stick with Origin. With that said, due to my previously mentioned dislike of EA in general, this is just one more point against them when I am in the market for a new game. There are only a couple of developers left who appreciate customers enough to entice me into paying full price for a game. Valve is one of them, but EA isn't. The main reason I have so many EA games on my Steam account is because Steam has frequent sales. If EA keeps the price the same on Origin 6 months after launch, I will give up on ever buying the game.
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