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SPEAKING THE TRUTH

(disregard) THE HATERS
The truth?

You mean the part where he said he had no problem with steam, then complained about having to log into multiple services to play a game, as if steams removal wouldn't remove one of those multiple services he has to log into?

Seriously though, a guys opinion != any kind of truth. A perspective? Yes. One that you obviously align with? Yes.

Truth? No.
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GrizzlieBear really hates Steam.
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Most of the non-US gamers seem to share the same sentiment. I have a feeling it's due to pricing differences, or the lack of deals to those regions that we get here. Not sure~ *shrug*
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GrizzlieBear really hates Steam.
Steam is running on my PC from the moment I turn it on to the moment I turn it off.

I'm just speaking from the viewpoint of the many "steam user" who simply have steam, because a game required steam to run, as opposed to being a person who requires steam to run games.

There are many more of me, than there are of the latter type since the "mainstream" user will always trump the "hardcore" user, simply by definition.

There are around 2.5 million steam users "logged on" right now.

How many of that 2.5 M are gaming?

How many of that 2.5 M have friends lists so large that transferring that list to another client makes them want to throw up?

How many of that 2.5 M are just like me, letting Steam just boot up and shut down with the computer while only actually using it occasionally to run that one game that forced them to install steam?


Also just trying to show people that EA really does not need Steam like think they do, which is why Gabe says he has to convince EA to partner up again on a closer level.

You dont have to convince EA to make money. People who dislike EA in this thread have said as much.

Therefore, when logic is applied, that convincing is obviously for Steams benefit as much as it is being seen/propogated as being for EAs benefit.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/19/11 at 4:45pm
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Most of the non-US gamers seem to share the same sentiment. I have a feeling it's due to pricing differences, or the lack of deals to those regions that we get here. Not sure~ *shrug*
Being constantly ripped off by Valve doesn't give us a lot of sympathy towards them I guess.

It's not even my bigget problem with Steam, my problem is with the ton of people always crying as soon as a game is released with any form of DRM but at the same time praising Steam and even being glad when a game is released with Steamworks even though Steam DRM is very strict, and offline mode is far from being perfect to say the least. Same people often have problem with running clients to launch their games (which I can completely understand) but have no problem with having Steam run constantly and continue to praise it even though it acts exactly like the other lients they hate.
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Being constantly ripped off by Valve doesn't give us a lot of sympathy towards them I guess.

It's not even my bigget problem with Steam, my problem is with the ton of people always crying as soon as a game is released with any form of DRM but at the same time praising Steam and even being glad when a game is released with Steamworks even though Steam DRM is very strict, and offline mode is far from being perfect to say the least. Same people often have problem with running clients to launch their games (which I can completely understand) but have no problem with having Steam run constantly and continue to praise it even though it acts exactly like the other lients they hate.
That's because they have essentially been bought out of their morals/principles.

If they had to start up a client simply to play their games, they'd moan to hell and back, which is what most people DID do in regards to steam.

However, Valve slowly started the "here, if I give you this, will you stop complaining?" treatment and all of a sudden it became perfectly fine for steam to be a requirement for literally every Valve game produced.

The underlying principles of "why do I have to run this to play my game!" still runs rife among the steam users and Origins arrival is bringing that to the surface.

Its just that those principles were.."dampened" as Valve opened up suitcases of goods relevant to the protesters interests.

It can be looked at like this:

Valve: You must run Steam to play Counterstrike.

Customers: Thats bull! *steam hate ensues*

Valve: Here take these social features and a few discounts.

Customers: Thanks! *steam praise ensues*


We've even seen it here on OCN and recently in this thread. People will complain that they have to use another client in Origin, even refusing.

The will however make the case that they will actually accept and embrace the very concept of what they are pee'd off about if certain conditions are met that benefits them personally.


Its literally the same people who are doing most of the complaining, that are showing not just Valve, but other companies, that making your games exclusive to your own client is okay, as long as you slip a couple notes in the gamers back pocket.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/19/11 at 5:01pm
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To be perfectly honest the only reason I don't or wouldn't like Origin is because it's by EA. As a company I trust Valve, they've always done the right thing when it comes to the PC even if it meant not making as large a profit as they could have. EA on the other hand I know for a fact would take the first opportunity they get to make an extra dime at the user's expense. I'd much rather have Valve keep watch over my game library than EA.

But if it was a choice between Steam or going back to the days of buying games retail entirely I'd most certainly choose the latter. While Steam is convenient I'd still like to be the one ultimately in control of my game library.
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Being constantly ripped off by Valve doesn't give us a lot of sympathy towards them I guess.

It's not even my bigget problem with Steam, my problem is with the ton of people always crying as soon as a game is released with any form of DRM but at the same time praising Steam and even being glad when a game is released with Steamworks even though Steam DRM is very strict, and offline mode is far from being perfect to say the least. Same people often have problem with running clients to launch their games (which I can completely understand) but have no problem with having Steam run constantly and continue to praise it even though it acts exactly like the other lients they hate.
Don't know about you......but Steam only runs on my computer when I play a Steam game, once done, I turn it off...no big deal. The problem I have with Origin, is that it is still pretty buggy and effects games not connected to it. I've had steam since it first came out and am pretty happy with it.. Once set up properly, offline mode works no different than any other game that runs by itself. I kind of like the idea of having my games on the "cloud" as I can access from anywhere and if I lose a disc, I don't lose a game. At first I was concerned about longevity, but that seems to be a non issue at this point for Steam, can't say the same for origin. I would to drop $50 on a game and then in a year or 2 lose it because origin went belly up.......I understand EA wanting to compete with steam, but they should offer thier customers options other than origin and let us decide. They don't have to let steam have it, but make it so we can buy and play without origin being required.
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Cheap and nasty is an opinion.

Your opinion.

Your opinion is not factual.

I actually think Origin is absolutely fine. I'm sure there are many others worldwide who are not tethered to steam that would agree.



Origin is months old.

Of course it wont have everything Steam has, and it possibly never will.

You are however, making the mistake of thinking that everyone who has steam even cares about everything that Steam has.

The social side of Steam never meant a thing to me, same with all the "steam sales" or backups or whatever.

I just like to play games that I enjoy.

It just so happens that I needed to install Steam to play them (TF2). Sound farmiliar?

I am just ONE out of a large number of people who simply use steam because I had to in order to play a certain game. (even the MW2 I got free with my 5850 came with steamworks)

Just like there are soon to be many people worldwide who will be using Origin because they need it in order to play a game they want to play.

You are badly mistaken if you think there are so many in the world who value their game launcher as much as people make out here.

Even more so if you believe there are enough people out there who wouldn't use a service to support EA. Just look at the sales numbers for EA sports titles or the retail titan that is The Sims, despite the online pass etc etc etc.

The vast majority of gamers buy games to play games that may happen to require clients. They dont install clients to buy/play games.

I truly think that some people are so supportive of a client, that their whole reality in regards to that has been jumbled and twisted.

Steam and Origin are one in the same at their core, just that steam has a load of other stuff covering up that core that happens to be relevant enough to certain peoples interests that they ignore that core.

For those that simply want to play their games, Steam = Origin.

This

Steam and Origins are the same thing, you think Battlefield fans will not get the game because of origins, this looks like the best fps of the year. To all the people not getting it because of origins, chances are you were not fans anyways and would complain at something else even if it was on steam. I do not care about company politics, I just care about games. I didnt like any game from valve other than portal, while I love the Mass Effect series and Battlefield series, who cares who publishes them or what their launch program is buy the game for the game itself.
Edited by sausageson - 8/19/11 at 8:24pm
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GrizzleBoy, why do you have such a problem with people not liking Origin but liking Steam? Can a person not prefer one to the other? How is it hypocrisy if I don't want to run Origin with games but am okay with running Steam? Not once have I said I am put off because I have to run a program every time I run the game but I AM put off about having to run Origin, a program which I currently have no use for, every time I want to play BF3.

You mention that "You are however, making the mistake of thinking that everyone who has steam even cares about everything that Steam has." which is all fine and dandy. The funny thing is, what about the people who DO care "about everything that Steam has?" Are they wrong for not wanting to support Origin? I still fail to see how it is so wrong of a person to not buy a game because they don't want to support a method or action that a certain company is taking.

Again, I like Steam, I want Steam, and I don't want Origin. Call my a hypocrite all you want (though you'd be incorrect) but if I'm not allowed to voice my opinion though my purchase, or lack of, because of my preferences simply because I already support a similar program then you're just being silly. I only said that I do not agree with their method and while you make a good point as to why they might do it that way, that does not mean it was the best choice. You obviously have visited their marketing department and seen the numbers on the advantage that this method of pushing Origin will help them as you seem so sure that any other approach would be idiotic.
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