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Ahhh Steam... I remember the days and months leading up to the release of Half-Life 2 and so many people were complaining about Steam and how much they hated it. "Whaaaaat... I have to login to that crap to play my game? This is absurd!"

Now ... it seems no one wants to play their games ANY OTHER way.

Here's the thing from a business perspective... EA are huge, they are bigger than Valve. If EA use Steam to distribute BF3, then no one will use Origin.
If EA use Steam to distribute BF3, then EA will have to pay a royalty fee to Valve for every purchase made through Steam.

Thats a double whammy right there..

Why would they do that? They know everyone wants to play BF3 and if it means using Origin, everyone will bite the bullet and do it their way. It's simple logic.. not only that, but this will increase Origin's popularity... and now they don't have to pay Valve any royalty fees.

In my opinion , BF3 is their game and if it means a better experience using their system then you can imagine EA won't screw it up. It would be a huge mistake to degrade the experience of BF3 because Origin is buggy or slow or lacking in features.
They know what they are doing and everything will have to perfect if they want to draw in the masses .... otherwise, they will have customers quickly jumping ship to COD, especially if Origin is buggy as hell.
Edited by freestyla85 - 8/19/11 at 9:06pm
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There is no way that Valve is going to sit back while EA releases some of the biggest AAA titles known to the gaming community -- PC or otherwise.

I hope that Valve can win them back by the time Battlefield 3 is released. It would be a shame if I couldn't pick it up due to it not being on Steam (I just find life so much easier with all my games on Steam).
     
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I'm sure Valve will try to negotiate but I doubt EA will budge. The most Valve can do is say "listen, we will advertise and distribute your game for only x% of the Steam purchase revenue" , and x is gona be half or maybe even less than that of what they charge other companies.
In the short run .. they lose some money this way but in the long run , they will win because every Steam user playing BF3 will be subjected to advertising for upcoming Steam games therfore ramping up preorders / sales ..etc

I think EA , just like Valve did with HL2, are not making Origin for BF3... they are making BF3 for Origin ... in other words, create a huge AAA title in which to launch a huge digital downloads service and reap in more millions in the long run than just simply releasing the game standalone like they did with BF2.

But the key is .. create a game that EVERYONE wants to play and then its all downhill from there.
Edited by freestyla85 - 8/19/11 at 9:53pm
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But the key is .. create a game that EVERYONE wants to play and then its all downhill from there.
Although I do see everyone wanting to play Battlefield 3, I cannot see Origin competing with Steam. It only sells EA games, and even if and when they acquire content from other devs, people would still prefer Steam, the client already with the established user base.
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I wish every publisher had its own service, like Valve has done with Steam and EA has done with Orgin.

We would all end up playing higher quality games for cheaper.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if every publisher DID end up making their own Digital Distribution Client for this very reason.


If Steam doesn't end up doing a monthly fee to rent all the games you want (ala gamefly) I see this happening, and I like it!

EDIT: It is just the drugs, or am I really this awesome???

EDIT EDIT: turns out I AM this awesome.
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Originally Posted by IEATFISH View Post
GrizzleBoy, why do you have such a problem with people not liking Origin but liking Steam? Can a person not prefer one to the other? How is it hypocrisy if I don't want to run Origin with games but am okay with running Steam? Not once have I said I am put off because I have to run a program every time I run the game but I AM put off about having to run Origin, a program which I currently have no use for, every time I want to play BF3.
I literally could not have been any clearer as to the reason why I find it wrong for people to only start their backlash against any other company forcing their own gaming clients for their own individual games now, while supporting the father of any other clients that they may have a problem with in the future.

You are one of the many who have helped support and popularize a system where people who only wanted to play a game, need to use Steam, a program that they also had no use for.

All I'm doing is pointing out the huge irony in that you are now experiencing what millions have had to go through with steam because of your support and that you should have thought about KILLING the steam model rather than supporting it if you didn't want to have the situation we have now.

You cant be one of those who helped to add poison into the water for large amount of other people and then cry out when that poison finally starts to bite at your insides.

Its silly.

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Originally Posted by IEATFISH View Post
You mention that "You are however, making the mistake of thinking that everyone who has steam even cares about everything that Steam has." which is all fine and dandy. The funny thing is, what about the people who DO care "about everything that Steam has?" Are they wrong for not wanting to support Origin? I still fail to see how it is so wrong of a person to not buy a game because they don't want to support a method or action that a certain company is taking.
I never said they are wrong for not wanting to support Origin. That's their choice and they are free to make it.

I am saying that if they did not want to support Origin, they should not have supported Steam....given that Steam is the father of Origin.

If the idea that you can force gamers to go through your gaming client/store to play your games was not so vehemently supported and shown to be acceptable for the right price due to the undying support Steam received, Origin would not be here.

If EA had tried to do this without a prior company already proving it successful, then all this so called out cry may have swayed them.

However, this outcry means nothing to them.

What about all those people who DO care about everything that steam has?

You are a minority and at the end of the day EA could not give two flying hoots if you caring about all of steams features stops you buying the game, or if Origin being made by EA stops you.

You don't care about them, and they don't care about you.

There seems to be this weird sense of obligation to people who cant even bring it upon themselves to install Origin and use it (i.e support EA), but expect EA to support both them AND Origins future rival in Steam in return.

Its essentially a "Get screwed EA, I refuse to help you. However please pander to my needs and support your titan of a rival while you're at it" kind of thing.

Its a pretty twisted mentality.

Your one time money doesn't mean a thing to EA at the end of the day. They are running a business.

If your lack of BF3 purchase means that they can secure a larger userbase in the long term for Origin, they are fine with that.

I am simply pointing out to people who seem to have this belief that no BF3 on steam will blow some huuuge chunk out of its sales are badly mistaken.

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Originally Posted by IEATFISH View Post
Again, I like Steam, I want Steam, and I don't want Origin. Call my a hypocrite all you want (though you'd be incorrect) but if I'm not allowed to voice my opinion though my purchase, or lack of, because of my preferences simply because I already support a similar program then you're just being silly. I only said that I do not agree with their method and while you make a good point as to why they might do it that way, that does not mean it was the best choice. You obviously have visited their marketing department and seen the numbers on the advantage that this method of pushing Origin will help them as you seem so sure that any other approach would be idiotic.
You are MORE than allowed to voice your opinion, but please don't be under the assumption that I'm not allowed to voice mine if you don't agree with it.

Parts of your post that I'm replying to were quotes from me talking to someone ELSE who WAS making the mistake in thinking that all steam users care about 50% or even 25% of its features and was using it as an argument.

However, because you don't like my opinion, you're quoting it against me out of context as if I'm talking to you and then using it to present an argument.


Also, as I said before.

Your reasoning for EAs current method of doing things regarding Origin and BF3 not being the best way are not based upon anything realistic in a business sense.

You haven't made any statements to say why it would be better for EA to put BF3 on steam.

All your reasoning for your disagreement with BF3 being dependant on Origin is that you simply refuse to support EA, but expect to be catered for by them.

Therefore, its not a case of EA SHOULD do it a certain way, you simply WANT them to do it a certain way, because you want it that way.

Common sense denotes that EA SHOULD do it how they are doing it, because that's exactly how steam built its user base, but your bias due to your personal wants and downright refusal to support EA is blinding you to that fact.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/20/11 at 3:15am
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doubt EA would want to do that. Its understandable that EA wants to stand out a bit and be competitive against Steam and to start with their own titles since they are a big company but have yet to be aggressive in offering a similar service.
No doubt Steam wants to handle BF3 and get some $$$ given the feedback, but at least they got CODMW3.
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Here's the thing from a business perspective... EA are huge, they are bigger than Valve. If EA use Steam to distribute BF3, then no one will use Origin.
If EA use Steam to distribute BF3, then EA will have to pay a royalty fee to Valve for every purchase made through Steam.

Thats a double whammy right there...
There are no royalties, but there is a markup EVERY retailer takes from sales. The funny part is that Steam takes a smaller cut than most other retailers do.

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There is no way that Valve is going to sit back while EA releases some of the biggest AAA titles known to the gaming community -- PC or otherwise.

I hope that Valve can win them back by the time Battlefield 3 is released. It would be a shame if I couldn't pick it up due to it not being on Steam (I just find life so much easier with all my games on Steam).
They're not. They're going to advertise the piss out of MW3 to trounce BF3's sales and hopefully show EA that they need Steam more than they realize. Just the other day they had a full-page 'ad' on Steam for MW3.
    
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Tell EA to quit being a douchcanoe first. Then convince them to come back.
I am gonna steal your word there, I leik.

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How so? Unlike physical CDs, there isn't any actual rummaging going on.
Just click the other shortcut on your desktop/taskbar
Physical CD's install game data all up and down your program files, I like having the 200GB+ of game data all under 1 folder for when I decide it is time to do a purge of the unwanted files left over from programs that were previously uninstalled. Keeps my program files folder from looking like a birds nest.
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Will we start seeing more EA games back on Steam?
Why would want them back? EA makes crap games anymore and by cutting steam they hurt their numbers. I would LOVE to see EA and UBI die tomorrow for their treatment of customers and lackluster game designs.

Worst part about EA is they buy any good gaming companies starting up then kill them off.
    
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