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When I want to find something on an auction site... I go to ebay. As much as I hate them, I won't even bother looking on yahoo auctions or wherever. Also, if I want a good price and don't mind waiting I'll order from wherever, but Amazon 2 day 1 click and 1 day 1-click $3.99? Pretty amazing.

Why won't I use Origin? I've already got Steam. I don't particularly like or dislike it, but it works to keep most of my games in one manageable location that I can easily re-download at any time anywhere without having to bother finding the serials...
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The hypocrisy of this thread is amazing

All the Steam fanboys will be the same people criticising Apple (or any other company) for having a monopoly and trying to lock out the market.
Edited by SpuddGunn - 8/18/11 at 12:39am
    
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When I want to find something on an auction site... I go to ebay. As much as I hate them, I won't even bother looking on yahoo auctions or wherever. Also, if I want a good price and don't mind waiting I'll order from wherever, but Amazon 2 day 1 click and 1 day 1-click $3.99? Pretty amazing.

Why won't I use Origin? I've already got Steam. I don't particularly like or dislike it, but it works to keep most of my games in one manageable location that I can easily re-download at any time anywhere without having to bother finding the serials...
The problem with your and many others COMPLETE and FINAL commitment to steam is that:

-If people didn't support steam so vehemently, the idea of making ones games exclusive to your own download client wouldn't be such a "mainstream" idea now.

-Therefore, if steam didn't have so many users that literally invested so much time and money into steam that they've basically trapped themselves to the point where not using steam is a huge inconvenience, this problem actually wouldn't exist

-If people wanted to kill the idea of having to download a client to play a publishers game, people should have rallied against Steam, not Origin. Instead, Steam is publicised by its supporters as pure gold.

-Its too late to cry out now. You put the poison in the cake with all your support. You cant now complain when you get ill of your own doing.

Conclusion:

If you didn't want publishers having the idea of making their games exclusive to their own gaming clients, you shouldn't have supported Steam with "thousands" of game play hours and spent "hundreds" on their client.

It is essentially YOU who are the cause of this "too many companies with download clients" situation, by showing the world and other publishers, that you and millions of others think its okay to do so with your undying support.


If you would like to bring up the "but the cheap games is why we support Steam", it is even worse.

You dont agree with publishers pushing their own clients, but will support vehemently, those who give you cheap games.

You basically showed a weak spine towards your so called morals/ideals and bent sideways at the sight of saving some quids off your next purchases, ignoring the fact that supporting steam, is supporting the idea of a publisher making their games available to play only on their individual download client.

Even if its for another reason you support steam, while frowning upon the idea of a publishers wanting you to use their client to run a game, you're simply showing that you will support an idea you dont agree with, as long as you get a "backhander" that will temporarily hush your concerns as long as you get your "bit".


I hope I have awakened some people with this post as it seems many just follow the pitchfork train without really thinking about things properly.

If you are so invested into steam that literally using anything else will hinder your gaming experience, you have noone else to blame for any future publishers pushing their own clients but yourselves.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/18/11 at 12:39am
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The reason I'm not a fan of Origin is simple. I don't want to have to start from scratch on the community aspect again.
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The reason I'm not a fan of Origin is simple. I don't want to have to start from scratch on the community aspect again.
Then why support/glorify the idea if the thought of another company even making a slight attempt at anything similar terrifies you?

Surely if you wouldn't like something to become the norm, you don't support/glorify/help popularise it?
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I hope bf3 comes to steam
even if I have to log into Origin to play online i'm fine with that, I have to do it with GFWL so I wont complain if they have to do it with this too
but if its not on steam within a couple months of release I will just deal with Origin with one game, also do it with GFWL with Gears
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Then why support/glorify the idea if the thought of another company even making a slight attempt at anything similar terrifies you?

Surely if you wouldn't like something to become the norm, you don't support/glorify/help popularise it?
What? All I said was I'm not a fan of Origin. Simple.
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The sucess of origin will depend on how many people purchase BF3 through it. Because of this i find it almost impossible to believe that EA would let Steam sell BF3 on release day
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No one liked steam because we didn't know what it can offer. Now, it has most pc games in one place. It has a very nice back up system. It has a huge and great community. Not to mention all the great deals it has.
All origin is offering is cheap EA games. That and a very bad track record of losing games and not providing ways to download older games that we own.

We already have a service that does what origin does but even better.

So EA has to prove to us that their client is worth running in our system. Which is cool and all, they used the correct game bf3 to draw the audience, however, they failed to do it right. They lied to us that steam will not work with them. Which we all know that is bs because we have used steam for many years and majority of the time there was no problem delivering updates or dlc.

So if you are trying to win customers I don't think the best thing to do is lie from the very beginning.

Which is why most of us want bf3 on steam because we don't think EA will deliver.

And to be honest I don't think this type of competition really helps us consumer. Yeah it might being down prices a bit but what else steam can do to be better than what it is? Trade games? Really? You think it is in their hands to allow that. Even the games you own aren't even 100% yours.
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No one liked steam because we didn't know what it can offer. Now, it has most pc games in one place. It has a very nice back up system. It has a huge and great community. Not to mention all the great deals it has.
All origin is offering is cheap EA games. That and a very bad track record of losing games and not providing ways to download older games that we own.

We already have a service that does what origin does but even better.

So EA has to prove to us that their client is worth running in our system. Which is cool and all, they used the correct game bf3 to draw the audience, however, they failed to do it right. They lied to us that steam will not work with them. Which we all know that is bs because we have used steam for many years and majority of the time there was no problem delivering updates or dlc.

So if you are trying to win customers I don't think the best thing to do is lie from the very beginning.

Which is why most of us want bf3 on steam because we don't think EA will deliver.

And to be honest I don't think this type of competition really helps us consumer. Yeah it might being down prices a bit but what else steam can do to be better than what it is? Trade games? Really? You think it is in their hands to allow that. Even the games you own aren't even 100% yours.
Right.......

I guess the literal handful that you could actually point me towards out of the millions that have used EA Downloader (now know as Origin), is a "bad track record"?

I guess the Steam support forums full of threads dont exist and Steam has no issues

Also, like I said, you showed a weak spine.

"Noone liked steam".

Exactly, noone liked the underlying principle of requiring steam to run games, but you have shown that you will literally disregard your principles for a price.

You didn't like what they were doing, but they showed you a suitcase of items relevant to your interests and you forgot everything and decided to invest time, money and publicity in them, despite disagreeing with their core values of a publisher requiring its games to be run via a seperate client.

As I have said multiple times, there is literally no point personally supporting popularising a concept you dont agree with (unless you get something on the side), then complaining when that concept becomes more popular......
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