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I also understand the situation... I don't think there are many people on these forums who don't understand why EA is launching Origin or forcing BF3 users to use it. Thanks for explaining it just in case, but... meh.

I'm still a refusenik on this one. Valve showed us loyalty and practically created the PC market as it stands today. As long as they provide a service as good as they do currently, I'll use any opportunity to give them cash through sales that I can. I'm loyal to Steam not because I'm some cretinous fanboy who ignores evidence to the contrary, but rather because their social, patching, sales and gaming systems are as good as they could possibly be.

Origin simply can't bring me anything Valve haven't already; Steam sales cover cheap games and the rest of the Steam network is awesome. I'm not about to go fragmenting my games purchases between 2 identical systems just to line EAs pockets.

The only reason EA are suddenly keen on this crap is they've realised that unlike consoles they don't have to pay royalties to Sony or MS for each sale, or license development tools. The margins on a PC game sale, delivered digitally, are much healthier.

I'm going to keep on giving my cash to Valve until they give me a good enough reason not to. Origins can kiss the proverbial.

EDIT: I also suspect they're using this as a practise run for providing games without brick n mortar stores for console gamers too. I bet there's some serious discussions going on between EA/Sony/MS about how they can get their new service on their systems... no resale losses, no middle man to pay... it's an ideal situation for EA/MS/Sony.

I like steam as well but they are definitely do not have the best prices or "created" the pc gaming market. From what we have seen of bf3 DICE has created a solid pc game, I just dont see why valve wants EA dlc money too, which is what this is really about. I noticed after steam valve's quality of games dropped which makes me wonder if they are content with steam revenues rather than making games.

Also if you think you are getting good deals are steam you are wrong, steam has some of the worse deals out there, especially on new released games, check out D2D or Greenman Gaming, I bought Red Orchestra 2 and Deus Ex Human Revolution for 50$ altogether from GMG, on steam I would get gouged. I like steam as a service but their prices are outrageous. I still hope BF3 comes to steam but if it doesnt its not the end of the world, im a Battlefield fan before a steam fan.
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Steam is the most expensive option compared to... well just about evreything else in Europe. OCN users praise Steam because they aren't aware or simply don't care of how Valve is completely ripping us off here in Europe, and it's even worse in Australia and New zealand.
That's not just Steam, from what I hear almost everything in Europe game related is a rip off.
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Steam is the most expensive option compared to... well just about evreything else in Europe. OCN users praise Steam because they aren't aware or simply don't care of how Valve is completely ripping us off here in Europe, and it's even worse in Australia and New zealand.
This

I'd much rather save anywhere from £7 up to £15 on buying from Amazon (with free delivery) and waiting for it to arrive.

Steam prices are awful

Example
Deus Ex HR on Steam £29.99
Deus Ex HR Limited Edition on Amazon £27.99
(Amazon doesnt stock vanilla Deus Ex HR)

Duke Nukem Forever on Steam £29.99
Duke Nukem Forever on Amazon £16.22

Bulletstorm on Steam £29.99
Bulletstorm on Amazon £14.80

Rage on Steam £29.00
Rage Anarchy Edition on Amazon £25.70
(Amazon doesnt stock vanilla Rage)

If Amazon can be cheap and ship the items, why cant Steam as they have no physical item to ship?!
Edited by SpuddGunn - 8/18/11 at 8:51am
    
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Steam is the most expensive option compared to... well just about evreything else in Europe. OCN users praise Steam because they aren't aware or simply don't care of how Valve is completely ripping us off here in Europe, and it's even worse in Australia and New zealand.
Valve don't set the prices. The prices for games in Europe and Australia are higher in general, so don't expect to magically see cheap prices on Steam. This is no one's fault.
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That's not just Steam, from what I hear almost everything in Europe game related is a rip off.
Games do cost quite a lot more in Europe, but games cost more on Steam than in retail or most other digital stores, because they know they have their blind fanboy army which will buy from them even if it costs them twice the amount they would pay retail. Usually games are released at the same price in retail store and on Steam (although you have much cheaper online option, like buying from play.com) but a retail version of a PC will most of the time drop to half of it's price 3 months after it's release, while games on Steam usually only frop in price after 9 months to a year.

For example Bad Company 2 was released at 49.99€ both on Steam and in French retail stores (and you could find it for 35€ on play.com). About three months after it's release you could easily find it for around 30€ in stores and on some digital distributors, while it stayed at it's lauch price on Steam. It finally dropped to 39.99 about a year after release, which is ridiculous, especially when the game was $19.99 on the US store. At this point you could find the game for 15-20€ in stores.

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Valve don't set the prices. The prices for games in Europe and Australia are higher in general, so don't expect to magically see cheap prices on Steam. This is no one's fault.
I've been hearig that a lot, yet when the Witcher was released on Steam a lot of european users complained that we had to pay a lot more than US users, a CD Projeckt rep replied on the Steam forums saying that they weren't aware of the situation and would contact Steam to try to rectify the situation but ultimately Valve would be the one to decide. The same thing happened a lot of times, especially on games develloped by small indie studios, each time people from these studios replied that they didn't have any say on the prices.
Edited by Telimektar - 8/18/11 at 8:50am
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Why don't you guys make NA Steam accounts? I know a lot of my friends have them, but I haven't asked the details on how.
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This

I'd much rather save anywhere from £7 up to £15 on buying from Amazon (with free delivery) and waiting for it to arrive.

Steam prices are awful

Example
Deus Ex HR on Steam £29.99
Deus Ex HR Limited Edition on Amazon £27.99
(Amazon doesnt stock vanilla Deus Ex HR)

Duke Nukem Forever on Steam £29.99
Duke Nukem Forever on Amazon £16.22

Bulletstorm on Steam £29.99
Bulletstorm on Amazon £14.80

Rage on Steam £29.00
Rage Anarchy Edition on Amazon £25.70
(Amazon doesnt stock vanilla Rage)

If Amazon can be cheap and ship the items, why cant Steam as they have no physical item to ship?!
That's awesome, now imagine if the game was only being released on Steam and not on Amazon and a bunch of people were telling you not to cry about it just because you prefer Amazon over Steam. Then they cite things like the 'spirit of competition' and the like to make you feel better about it.
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Still going the retail route. It's cheaper than Steam or Origin.
    
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Why don't you guys make NA Steam accounts? I know a lot of my friends have them, but I haven't asked the details on how.
Steam is not the best price in North America either
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That's awesome, now imagine if the game was only being released on Steam and not on Amazon and a bunch of people were telling you not to cry about it just because you prefer Amazon over Steam. Then they cite things like the 'spirit of competition' and the like to make you feel better about it.
Bad argument.....BF3 is not "only" available for purchase on Orgin. You can get it a lot of other places other than there.
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