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EDIT - To see the most up to date listing, see the bottom of first post

Ok, i have already had a little input on another thread but as suggested i should have my own area. Here is the original part of the post; (sorry in advance for length of post)
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Originally Posted by fungai;14613097 
im quite interested in this matter too myself. im looking to go with cyberpower (uk version) and i was wondering myself about the OC. I havent got any OC experience at all, but after doing a google search for "pay someone to overclock or do it yourself" i found this post. It looks like it could answer my question so i have joined up pretty much solely to get involved. I hope its not wrong of me to do this, but would be interested to know before i jump into something for £40 to get 20-30% increase if it was actually worth it, or if i could just pull that myself.

The rig im setting up is;

# corsair obsidian 650d case
# i5 2500k
# coolermaster v8/ prolimatch megahalems cpu cooler (if i dont go with cyberpower, there is another company called wired2fire that seem similar but for same build price i could do a corsair h80)
#4GB RAM corsair xms3
#either asus maximux IV gene-z or asus P8Z68-V (any tips would be appriciated... there is also a P8Z68-V LE available too)
#Nvidia GTX 570
#"cyberpower" 850watt "performance gaming" PSU (cant go with anything smaller than 850 with that GPU with cyberpower; they wont allow it. Wired2Fire on the other hand offer a 600w corsair CX600 or corsair HX 750)
#The rest like windows 7, 1TB hard disk etc i think probably dont matter...

So id also like to know if i should go with them for their overclock service (wired2fire offer the service for free but that means its probably hidden somewhere in their pricing.. but i havent noticed that)
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Originally Posted by ~sizzzle~;14614814 
fungai welcome to OCN.

Usually it is best to start your own thread, just a fyi. But since your here and for some reason I was subbed to this thread I'll throw my 2 cents in.

First off just build it yourself. It's easier then you probably think it is, it's cheaper plus then you'll be in a lot better position to fix it or trouble shoot problems when the need occurs.

i5 2500K's are very easy to overclock according to just about anybody around here that's ever overclocked one. 20%-30% increase is almost a joke. That would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 4.3GHz when most people around here are shooting for 5.0 on the 2500K's.

Coolermaster V8 is a poor choice for a cooler. Megahalems though isn't a bad choice at all.

RAM is pretty cheap these days, if I were you I'd be looking at a 2 X 4GB set.

Personal preference on the board, I'd probably be looking at ASUS P8Z68-V PRO vs ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe. The Gene is a pretty sweet micro board though so that might be tempting but I'd have to take a close look to make sure I could fit all my goodies (SLI GPU's, sound card etc. ) on it.

570's are nice but the prices on the 580's have been dropping so I'd probably go that route myself. Either that or 560 Ti. I just don't see the current prices of the 570 making it the great option it used to be. Everything else has dropped in price but the 570 it seems from the little price browsing I've done for myself recently.

Never buy a Cyberpower PSU and I'd probably avoid the CX line of Corsairs. TX, HX, AX you'll be fine as far as Corsair PSU's. There are others as good or better though. 650 watts would be plenty to run what you have there. I don't mind going with a little overkill to start with though to leave plenty of room for any and all future upgrades though.

The build by cyberpower mentioned above before i recieved the reply from sizzle was adjusted slightly. I swapped the PSU to a corsair 850HX and swapped the CPU cooler to Asetek 570 LX. The reason for the gtx 570 choice was there was a offer on it instead of a supposed free upgrade of a gtx 560 ti 2GB (so they were the same price). The price of the overal set up was £1070 (inc VAT and p+p).

The build from wired2fire came to just over £1100 for same build, but a corsair H80, corsair AX850 psu, and a quote of OC to about 4.8ghz (so that would be just short of 50% increase).

In response to building mysel - i had considered it, friends even telling me to just do it, but really am lacking confidence in taking the leap of faith. Ive done reading on it, even have a 2 year old custompc magazine that features a step by step build cause i intended on doing it back then, but i chickened out and store bought... so im still nervous bout the build, let alone OCing. What should i do?

Oh and tips on what i should go for if you do think i should self build would be nice - (keep in mind im from UK) i have about £1000 budget.





SET UP

Case- corsair obsidian 650d
CPU - i5 2500k
Cooler - FRIO
mobo - Asus P8Z68-V
PSU - corsair AX 850
GPU - nvidia gtx570 (EVGA or MSI)
Hard drive - 1TB samsung blah blah blah
OS - windows 7 premium 64 bit
RAM - Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) vengance 1600
Edited by fungai - 8/22/11 at 8:25am
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Ok im scanning through now

cooler master v8 is a big block of ****, Asetek 570 LX closed loop.. wouldnt bother.
get the noctua d14.

cyberpower" 850watt "performance gaming" PSU - crap
get a Corsair ax or hx 850 .. the 570 will be fine on a HXAX650 or even a 500watt

You need to build your self really, you cant go wrong.


more coming...
Edited by andrewmchugh - 8/17/11 at 12:47pm
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I have the modified list at the bottom of the post cause i was editing while you posted
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Originally Posted by fungai;14617811 
I have the modified list at the bottom of the post cause i was editing while you posted

Ok can you post each component you are buying and ill tell you whats what.
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Yep sure; here is the list of the build from between those two sites

Case- corsair obsidian 650d
CPU - i5 2500k
Cooler - corsair h80 or antec KUHLER
mobo - Asus P8Z68-V
PSU - corsair AX 850
GPU - nvidia gtx570
Hard drive - 1TB samsung blah blah blah
OS - windows 7 premium 64 bit
RAM - 4GB corsair xsm3 1333

So first, pick those apart. Those with Wired2fire comes to £1100... which is pricey for me imo
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Originally Posted by fungai;14617880 
Yep sure; here is the list of the build from between those two sites

Case- corsair obsidian 650d
CPU - i5 2500k
Cooler - corsair h80 or antec KUHLER
mobo - Asus P8Z68-V
PSU - corsair AX 850
GPU - nvidia gtx570
Hard drive - 1TB samsung blah blah blah
OS - windows 7 premium 64 bit
RAM - 4GB corsair xsm3 1333

So first, pick those apart. Those with Wired2fire comes to £1100... which is pricey for me imo

PSU - corsair AX 850 is overkill to the max you know
and Noctua D14 will kill the h80 and antec untis

RAM - 4GB corsair xsm3 1333 is slow .. u want 1600+ get vengeance low profile 4gb 1600.

case mobo and processor and gpu are perfect
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lol yep they charge about a 7% labor.

If i were you i would build it yourself, I got a OCUK custom PC (only because it was cheaper than anything i could build myself, and it came with w7u free) and they did such a bad job i took it apart, rebuilt it and did a much better job myself!
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I will build for 1% labor
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also, get Corsair XMS3 1600mhz its cheap as chips but bloody amazing lol
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Originally Posted by andrewmchugh;14617973 
PSU - corsair AX 850 is overkill to the max you know
and Noctua D14 will kill the h80 and antec untis

RAM - 4GB corsair xsm3 1333 is slow .. u want 1600+ get vengeance low profile 4gb 1600.
So the PSU is too much? was thinking of posible upgrades down the line.
Yeah i wanted to have 1600 at least, but with the other stuff on these site builds, it started to get rediculous priced when it came to the ram. Original firs build i went straight to RAM going 8GB 1600 (2x 4GB) but got told not to bother... i thought ram was a good thing... but as the stuff started to level out, to save money dropped to lower ram

tips on where to look? got a site called "advancetec" that i been told bout but looking at it im not very impressed
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Originally Posted by GlockZoR IV;14617990 
lol yep they charge about a 7% labor.

If i were you i would build it yourself, I got a OCUK custom PC (only because it was cheaper than anything i could build myself, and it came with w7u free) and they did such a bad job i took it apart, rebuilt it and did a much better job myself!

that is exactly what im concerned about too - its the pain in my side; lack of confidence to do build self, but dont wanna be net over a barrel for a "top job" that turns out to be sloppy
Edited by fungai - 8/17/11 at 1:09pm
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