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Without a giant helicopter to kamikaze into a flag, the game won't be the same.
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F18s are good, but to make them the primary fighter jet... F15/16s should have been in this game and if they wanted to implement an Attack/Fighter, they should have put in the F35. Crossing fingers for upcoming release of more jets
F18 are a carrier based plane, 15 and 16 aren’t, and the problem with the F35 for the game is that nobody else has a supersonic VTOL jet that could be used to balance it.

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Without a giant helicopter to kamikaze into a flag, the game won't be the same.
The UH1-Y is a big chopper like the Blackhawk, that can carry about 10 soldiers.
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Without a giant helicopter to kamikaze into a flag, the game won't be the same.



i cant wait to fly the A10, to buy a joystick or not to buy a joystick, that is the question
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Not trusting this list at all,

F-18 and A-10? Really? Lame...we had this in BF2. I cant believe they didn't add the F-35 again honestly, as its more real now than it was in 2005. F-18 is old, yet its upgraded yearly, and A-10 is a tank killer and kicks some major butt.

But 4 jets? If this list is true, then its just what I thought all along, they only added Jets and don't care to much about them. Alpha was sexy, but this is a let down.

Not even a blackhawk? But instead we get a Huey?
Can we stop using the LAV? Its getting old. Use a bradley or Stryker.

The so we get 1 attack chopper, and 2 transports. Hmm.

Disappointed as all get out, but not raging. But DICE, thnx for not caring about vehicles once again. Get a military adviser you n00bs
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excuse me for being out of the loop but when is this game expecting to drop?
 
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Only US and RU? Damn...
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Not trusting this list at all,

F-18 and A-10? Really? Lame...we had this in BF2. I cant believe they didn't add the F-35 again honestly, as its more real now than it was in 2005. F-18 is old, yet its upgraded yearly, and A-10 is a tank killer and kicks some major butt.

But 4 jets? If this list is true, then its just what I thought all along, they only added Jets and don't care to much about them. Alpha was sexy, but this is a let down.

Not even a blackhawk? But instead we get a Huey?
Can we stop using the LAV? Its getting old. Use a bradley or Stryker.

The so we get 1 attack chopper, and 2 transports. Hmm.

Disappointed as all get out, but not raging. But DICE, thnx for not caring about vehicles once again. Get a military adviser you n00bs
Two multirole fighters, and two attack fighters. The SU-39 is the direct counter-part to the A-10.

The vehicle list here is actually very good, small~ but good. The F-18 is still the Navy's go to fighter platform, and the Marines are tightly interwoven with the Navy on expeditionary missions.

The Blackhawk is cool, but I think Dice sat and decided what was 'fun' about it for the pilot, and no offense in Bad Company 2 the Black Hawk was unfairly pitted against the Hind as a transport chopper without anything for the pilot to actually use to shoot with it.

In this platform, the Venom will have the capacity to have side gunners, carry troops AND have a pilot with weapons capability. The Blackhawk has variants with offensive capability too, but they decided on using a faster, lighter and generally higher armed platform.

Seriously, have any of you actually seen the UH-1Y Venom at work? I understand the Black Hawk is a fan favorite and has seen a lot of use in film and gaming, but the UH-1Y Venom is a relatively new refit of an old platform and hasn't really seen a lot of gametime. Let's give it a shot. I think from a FUN perspective, it'll be a LOT better to fly gamewise.

The only anomaly from this list really is the decision to use a AH-1Z Super Cobra instead of the Bell AH-1Z Viper. These guys did the right thing and used the Tier-2 version of the Huey, by going to the UH-1Y Venom... but~ they decided to go to the Tier-1 SuperCobra when they had the Viper available!?

What's even crazier about this... BATTLEFIELD 2 USED THE VIPER! Even though it wasn't even in service, Battlefield 2 had the Tier 2 Version of the SuperCobra... yet BF3 is taking a step BACK and is using the old 1986 fielded SuperCobra.

Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome chopper~ but if you're making a modern warfare game, why are they actually going backward with this one chopper when even BF2 had the newer variant (The AH-1Z Viper was introduced to service as late as 2010!).

It's just a little confusing. Everything else actually makes a lot of sense (Lack of a Bradley fighting vehicle is kind of~ eeeehhhh to me, but hey~ I can deal with the LAV-25 and its kickass speed.)
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Two multirole fighters, and two attack fighters. The SU-39 is the direct counter-part to the A-10.

The vehicle list here is actually very good, small~ but good. The F-18 is still the Navy's go to fighter platform, and the Marines are tightly interwoven with the Navy on expeditionary missions.

The Blackhawk is cool, but I think Dice sat and decided what was 'fun' about it for the pilot, and no offense in Bad Company 2 the Black Hawk was unfairly pitted against the Hind as a transport chopper without anything for the pilot to actually use to shoot with it.

In this platform, the Venom will have the capacity to have side gunners, carry troops AND have a pilot with weapons capability. The Blackhawk has variants with offensive capability too, but they decided on using a faster, lighter and generally higher armed platform.

Seriously, have any of you actually seen the UH-1Y Venom at work? I understand the Black Hawk is a fan favorite and has seen a lot of use in film and gaming, but the UH-1Y Venom is a relatively new refit of an old platform and hasn't really seen a lot of gametime. Let's give it a shot. I think from a FUN perspective, it'll be a LOT better to fly gamewise.

The only anomaly from this list really is the decision to use a AH-1Z Super Cobra instead of the Bell AH-1Z Viper. These guys did the right thing and used the Tier-2 version of the Huey, by going to the UH-1Y Venom... but~ they decided to go to the Tier-1 SuperCobra when they had the Viper available!?

What's even crazier about this... BATTLEFIELD 2 USED THE VIPER! Even though it wasn't even in service, Battlefield 2 had the Tier 2 Version of the SuperCobra... yet BF3 is taking a step BACK and is using the old 1986 fielded SuperCobra.

Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome chopper~ but if you're making a modern warfare game, why are they actually going backward with this one chopper when even BF2 had the newer variant (The AH-1Z Viper was introduced to service as late as 2010!).

It's just a little confusing. Everything else actually makes a lot of sense (Lack of a Bradley fighting vehicle is kind of~ eeeehhhh to me, but hey~ I can deal with the LAV-25 and its kickass speed.)
I'm just sick of them using Marine vehicles/Choppers. Personally, I have nothing wrong with these vehicles in real life or in-game. What I was kinda raging about is, Im sick and tired of seeing them. The LAV was in BF2 so was the F-18 and the F-35. This was 6 years ago in 2005.

Now we are gonna be using a advanced verison of the Huey and A-10 and F-18 which are both used my Marines. Yet again, sick aircraft, I can only hope that A-10 can take down a tank with a single burst like in real life. If not, thats BS and probably for game balance.

Its also a very limited list of vehicles compared to BF2. It seems to me IMHO, that they didn't really want to add jets/helis back, but did so anyway for the community, but don't care to much about them.

In the border trailer, jets look like the size of a freaking aircraft carrier in that trailer compared to BF2. Looks like the map height is short, and you wont be able to go high altitude for dog fights. Which opens up for more ground AA to take you down.

Again, I may be ranting a little much, but this is what I see so far. I just always had this gut feeling inside that they were gonna screw us over on jets/helis again thanks to its going to consoles now. Plus my #1 rant, thats a crappy short vehicle list. Tisk tisk tisk. I will wait till beta and see if my mind changes, im still loving BF3 and buying it. But they really are screwing us over again on Vehicles in BC2 and now BF3. And if that freaking LAV speeds aint nerfed, ima scream, that thing could go from US spawn to Mcoms in like 10secs even before the defenders could set up any kind of Defense.
Edited by kilrbe3 - 8/19/11 at 8:58am
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I think a tighter vehicle list that operates well in quality versus quantity will be better for the game in general atm. Less jets to me just means more of a focus on the jet gameplay itself~ with the game expanding from there.

I mean, one of the best flight sims ever made had a total aircraft selection of: one. Falcon 4.0~ because focusing on a single aircraft made so that the game could give you a better experience with that craft. Every flight sim that had multiple jets, just gave a poorer experience across the scopes of all the options.

With a game like this, they're focusing more on "fighter" gameplay and "attack" gameplay with the jets~ and from there, they can tighten it, then expand to new craft with modified physics and roles within those roles as the game matures.

I am worried about the flight ceiling, but one of this game's focuses is definitely taking the layered approach to combat (infantry, ground, air) and making a blend of the three into one overall Battlefield.

In BF2, these layers existed but were spread out across the map, and sometimes not in direct effect of the other. This in itself was still good~ it had its perks, but I can't count how many BF2 games I've played where I did even know jets had an impact. I've gone days driving my tank without ever getting taken out by another jet in BF2.

I do think if your fear is that Bad Company 2s capacity for mixing the layers of combat into this tight but intense knit of gameplay has made it into BF3~ your fears are warranted.

But this isn't necessarily a bad thing. In Battlefield, you can be an infantryman who is pushing toward a building with a light troop carrier at your side and suddenly two enemy tanks show up busting around a wall to engage you and your men. This dynamic mix of infantry/ground happens all the time in Battlefield.

Yet the air layer, didn't always mix into this aspect of the game. Choppers fired their missiles and vanished~ jets flew by without an effect on your game stress levels. While here, they seem to be intimately connected to enemy choppers and ground forces~ with you on the ground being able to look up into the sky to engage and be affected by enemy threats.

There are definitely going to be changes. I think a light vehicle loadout just gives Dice the ability to focus on game design elements, rather than the fluff we seem to claim we want. When in reality, it's the gameplay that drives us~ not the skin we put on that gameplay.
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Am I the only one sad that there is no Quad? lol

did want..
There better be, or I will have to find a new Justice vehicle.
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