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I love my SSD, any load time is practically nonexistent and copying and Windows booting is like a moments passage.
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ITT: People who have no idea what they're looking at, and then use their illiteracy as a reason to complain the article is poorly written...

I found this article VERY informative. If anyone's done any reading on SSDs, they'll know different SSDs have different strengths on Queue Depths and sector sizes on transfers. It's common knowledge that having fast 4K rates is important for general OS stuff but this article gives perspective on the gaming side of things which more than just 4K transfers.

Also, sequential write performance on the lower capacity m4's is rather poor... Anybody know if it's just that which is low compared to other drives?
I personally was complaining that I went in hoping to see side by side comparisons of those benefits vs mechanical drives. I understand the value in the knowledge, however the title of the article I think led me to believe that I would see the relative performance of SSDs
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I think it is a pretty good article for storage enthusiasts. It tells what to look for in an SSD. Fast queue depth of one file transfer speeds.
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I personally was complaining that I went in hoping to see side by side comparisons of those benefits vs mechanical drives. I understand the value in the knowledge, however the title of the article I think led me to believe that I would see the relative performance of SSDs
Well, the title actually doesn't say anything about mechanical drives... it just says SSD performance. =/ And I agree while it wasn't the best title for the kind of analysis it was, I still don't see where one could expect a comparison with HDDs from that title.

Plus, there's already TONS of comparison articles out there. Those were pretty much all of the SSD related articles when SSDs were introduced. I think those have been done to death and it's good we're finally seeing some of these analysis articles that aren't just telling us that SSDs are better than HDDs (which we already know), they're telling us which SSDs are better than other SSDs.
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Steam Mover. But it doesn't work for stuff like WoW, Starcraft, etc

My intel drive is only 80gb so I ran out pretty quickly.
Steam Mover works for all folders, it's just a basic mklink command with a GUI. I use it for StarCraft 2.
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Not to shamelessly self-plug but I've done a few small tests of my own via Youtube. Since I just cloned a backup to a WD blue generic drive, I suppose I could load a few games and really compare as this article apparently seemed to do. *goes to read it*.

Then again I am tempted to show just how SLOW my brother's old Core 2 Duo laptop loads WoW... Wouldn't be a fair test though. System needs to be the same.

Edit. Wow Tom's. I mean, the queue depth and relative statistics on how games read and write is very interesting. It doesn't explain to average Joe Gamer though as to how an SSD would compare to the HDD in every day use. I mean, even halfway through the article they basically seem to say "well the past 5 pages of what we covered is important but in the end doesn't matter..." so ok, let's get to the data that does; oh but the article ends. A decent attempt at explaining things and informative to those in the know, sure, but it just seems a bit out of context if you don't know where to begin.

I've noticed on quite a few games that they just operate more smoothly on SSD, whether MMO or not. Now I'm tempted to do some side-by-side comparisions just because...
Edited by The-Real-Link - 8/18/11 at 6:50pm
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Well, the title actually doesn't say anything about mechanical drives... it just says SSD performance. =/ And I agree while it wasn't the best title for the kind of analysis it was, I still don't see where one could expect a comparison with HDDs from that title.

Plus, there's already TONS of comparison articles out there. Those were pretty much all of the SSD related articles when SSDs were introduced. I think those have been done to death and it's good we're finally seeing some of these analysis articles that aren't just telling us that SSDs are better than HDDs (which we already know), they're telling us which SSDs are better than other SSDs.
I understand what you are saying, and maybe it was made for someone who had more knowledge about HD's in general so they would know what a standard mechanical drive baseline is to compare the numbers. But to the uninformed it was hard to put those numbers into context.

But as you can see from the comments in this article there are some people who doubt the benefit of SSD's for gaming so adding a little tidbit about while you can see that some SSD's are better than others, you can still get X benefit over a mech drive and even a raptor.
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I was one of those people that said an SSD isn't much better.
I was wrong. Very. Wrong.
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That's not a perfect system, because by your logic my imperfect system is loading levels and areas faster than your supposed perfect system. That makes no sense. The reason you don't understand it is because you've obviously not done it. Having your load times halved and being the first person to load into the map on BC2 is awesome because you get first dibs on vehicles. In open world games like WoW it's awesome because I can max my draw distance and see enemy players before they see me. Regardless, I don't understand how you can balk at something being faster.
I really have no problems spawning early with a mechanical drive. On a 500GB Caviar Blue I'm usually one of the first. On a 1TB Caviar Black I'm one of the first. The levels really don't take very long to load on my systems, and then servers will have a wait period before the round.

I think there is more at play with spawning into a map than simply hard drive speed.
Edited by cusideabelincoln - 8/18/11 at 6:15pm
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That's not a perfect system, because by your logic my imperfect system is loading levels and areas faster than your supposed perfect system. That makes no sense. The reason you don't understand it is because you've obviously not done it. Having your load times halved and being the first person to load into the map on BC2 is awesome because you get first dibs on vehicles. In open world games like WoW it's awesome because I can max my draw distance and see enemy players before they see me. Regardless, I don't understand how you can balk at something being faster.
On BC2, your load times are not cut in half on an SSD. It takes a mere 5 seconds for me to get into a map on my regular HDD. When I installed it on an SSD experimentally, that time was cut down to around 4 seconds. My conclusion is that I'd rather put something else on my SSD than BC2. I can't speak for open world games like WoW, though. I did notice a pretty significant difference in Oblivion when I installed it on my SSD, but I took it off so I could have space for other programs.

I don't "balk" at something being faster. I "balk" at the price associated with that speed. If you want 1TB of SSD space you're going to spend roughly the same amount of money that it would take to get a high-end gaming computer with dual graphics cards. However, you can easily get a 120GB SSD and 1TB Samsung F3 Hard Drive for less than $300 combined. $300 is much easier to swallow than $1600-2000, and at the end of the day, the only difference between $300 and $2000 is load times and nothing else. If you get a 60GB SSD, you get the responsiveness you want from your OS. The rest of that space is just fluff.

If you've got an SSD for the OS, your system will be highly responsive IF you put quality components in as well. 1TB of SSD space is a novelty at this time. For the price, I'll keep my tried and true 1 SSD and 2 HDD setup. Since I got that SSD for my OS and other critical programs, my system has been brilliantly responsive to the point that I forget that I'm working on a fairly average gaming system. My system feels like it's worth roughly twice as much as it really is because of this simple 120GB SSD that cost me a little over $200. It seems to be working perfectly.

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I was one of those people that said an SSD isn't much better.
I was wrong. Very. Wrong.
I did the same thing. I couldn't wrap my little monkey brain around how a tiny 60-120GB drive could make your system so much better. It wasn't until I got some disposable income that I decided to try it out. An SSD is easily the best upgrade I have ever made on my PC... period. The responsiveness is mind blowing.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 8/19/11 at 8:04am
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