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post #51 of 61
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Originally Posted by gerikoh View Post
A 2ghz i3 will still mop the floor with an overclocked Llano in terms of CPU performance.
Up to 2 threads maybe. But for anything that uses 3 or 4 threads...no.

As you can see even at stock llano beats the i3 when you use four threads. And yes a lot of games use 3 and 4 threads. Plus these disabled GPU chips will be much cheaper than their llano counterparts (as well as much cheaper than the i3).


Source: Anandtech
Edited by JCPUser - 8/18/11 at 9:08pm
post #52 of 61
This is very interesting:

http://pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Llano-running-short

And lends credibility to the "Bulldozer paper launch until December" rumours.
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post #53 of 61
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post
So far, results of Llano on LN2 doesn't seem to indicate that it's any better than Athlon II/Phenom II in terms of overclocking. And with a 100W TDP, it doesn't seem like removing the GPU helped power consumption by much.

The issue of these being socket FM1 still remains. If these are intended for people on a very low budget, then wouldn't it make more sense for those people to save money by getting an Athlon II or Phenom II and cheaper socket AM3/AM3+ board?

FM1 also seems to be a dead-end in terms of upgrades. If a budget buyer bought an AM3+ board and a cheap Athlon II, at least there is the possibility of the board supporting Bulldozer later on. It doesn't seem like FM1 will support anything other than Llano.
They said they're coming out with a black edition. They might do the same with the "graphics free" chips. Easier ocing capabilities then.
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post #54 of 61
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Originally Posted by Armand Hammer View Post
This is very interesting:

http://pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Llano-running-short

And lends credibility to the "Bulldozer paper launch until December" rumours.
There are two sides to every story.

Given that AMD also had supply problems with the E class APUs early in the year my guess is that this is less about yields and more high initial demand.

Otherwise why would things miraculously get better next month... especially considering that AMD started mass producing bulldozer this month.
post #55 of 61
Wow, so good for people wanting to use the onboard discretes and don't need the APU's chip
   
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WAit wait wait wait bloody wait.

why are people on the first page all like "+1 to AMD"???

Weren't AMD the ones to harp on about how the future of CPU's is having the GPU on the same die, now they're making CPU's without a GPU on the same die, it's +1 to AMD?

What the hell is going on?

No offense, guys and girls, but you're all crazy and verging on fanism. Three years ago CPU's didn't have GPU's on them. Why the hell is this a major breakthrough and a 1up on Intel?
What's the big deal?They have some bad chips in every batch,why not give customers a cheaper option? I fail to see what everyone is so worked up about.
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post #57 of 61
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WAit wait wait wait bloody wait.

why are people on the first page all like "+1 to AMD"???

Weren't AMD the ones to harp on about how the future of CPU's is having the GPU on the same die, now they're making CPU's without a GPU on the same die, it's +1 to AMD?

What the hell is going on?

No offense, guys and girls, but you're all crazy and verging on fanism. Three years ago CPU's didn't have GPU's on them. Why the hell is this a major breakthrough and a 1up on Intel?
the guy who posted after you explained it well. it's not a backtrack on their concept of fusion. it's that both Intel and AMD will have a surplus of chips/less than perfect chips. it is good business practice to use them to some capacity rather than dumping them.
post #58 of 61
doesn't make sense,
whoever buy a Sempron or Athlon II probably doesn't want to spend money with graphics card, and since this is for FM1 platform there are no alternatives like a IGP on the chipset,

they should sell these things with a more basic IGP, like the 880G with 40sps only, not without any IGP.
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the guy who posted after you explained it well. it's not a backtrack on their concept of fusion. it's that both Intel and AMD will have a surplus of chips/less than perfect chips. it is good business practice to use them to some capacity rather than dumping them.
I'm not saying it's bad or anything. I just don't understand why people on the first page are "+1 to AMD 0 to Intel" and such.
    
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post #60 of 61
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The issue of these being socket FM1 still remains. If these are intended for people on a very low budget, then wouldn't it make more sense for those people to save money by getting an Athlon II or Phenom II and cheaper socket AM3/AM3+ board?
I was going to reply to this, but JCPU beat me to it.

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Well AMD isn't making PH II and the current Ath II anymore so they will start to become quite hard to find. Also lower end/cheaper FM1 boards will come out eventually...
Anyway, these are just chips with a disabled GPU (i.e llano failures) even if AMD sells 1 chip it is better than throwing them all away.

That's what I was thinking. For now, it makes more sense to get an AM3 Athlon II, but those are not being manufactured anymore. By the time current inventories sell, there should be some cheap FM1 boards available, possibly with integrated graphics tacked onto the PCIe bus.

Using failed APUs to fill in for Athlon's low-budget segment seems like it would be more profitable than just chucking them all in the recycle bin.
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