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Ugh. Yet another brick in the wall that is my hate for Apple.
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post #112 of 145
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Originally Posted by r3skyline View Post
i think its time people moved on from what i was saying about the comparison of phones and throwing in support for them... >_>

as for sammy from tmobile. i referred to tmobile sucking for me. and i wanted something else other than the vibrant. so i moved on to a different phone/carrier. how was that so hard to understand?
Then you should be complaining about T-Mobile, not Samsung and this is definitely not the thread for it. You were talking about T-Mobile customer support which has nothing to do with Apple nor Samsung.

Time people moved on? Now that there are posts identifying flaws in your post and you just want people to move on now? Come on.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
No, I'm not trying to start an argument with you. I'm just pointing out that you posted a chart, stating that Apple is not a monopoly. No one has said that they ARE a monopoly, but that their affairs in trying to get Samsung's products banned off the market are monopolistic practices.

Market share has nothing to do with a company doing monopolistic acts. No, Apple is NOT a monopoly. That's not what everyone here is saying. Your graph does show this. AT THE MOMENT, there is plenty of competition. What we're saying is that they are pulling monopolistic acts, TRYING to cut out the competition. That's monopolistic.
IMO, the chart should have been OS vs OS or Hardware vs Hardware
for example, iOS vs Android, and iPhone vs Galaxy S.

Saying Apple vs Android is not a fair comparison, really.

edit: nevermind I am blind as a blind mole today. The chart comparison is, in fact, that way. However, if it were iPhone vs Galaxy S, it may be a little skewed and you could perhaps see why a lot of people have this notion of Apple being a "monopoly." Apple is smart in a way that they only have to maintain one OS and one hardware at a time. Samsung, like other Android handset manufacturers, have different lines of hardware they have to manufacture and maintain.
Edited by kppanic - 8/23/11 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
No, I'm not trying to start an argument with you. I'm just pointing out that you posted a chart, stating that Apple is not a monopoly. No one has said that they ARE a monopoly, but that their affairs in trying to get Samsung's products banned off the market are monopolistic practices.

Market share has nothing to do with a company doing monopolistic acts. No, Apple is NOT a monopoly. That's not what everyone here is saying. Your graph does show this. AT THE MOMENT, there is plenty of competition. What we're saying is that they are pulling monopolistic acts, TRYING to cut out the competition. That's monopolistic.
Well patents are a government granted monopoly on the tech covered by the patent. If you use the tech anyways expect to be sued. It's a patent, not a secret.
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Well patents are a government granted monopoly on the tech covered by the patent. If you use the tech anyways expect to be sued. It's a patent, not a secret.
They are, but what Apple has patented (I'd say several hundred patents that they happen own) "shouldn't" have been approved; as they are too general, broad, whatever you want to call it. Most of OCN's argument for that is that the patent system is horribly inefficient and needs to be totally revamped. Patents are just getting approved left and right; I wouldn't be surprised if a patent for human fingers is somewhere in the system as approved.
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post #116 of 145
/Sarcasm ON
I am going to go with Apple on this one. However let this statement be prefaced with maybe IP patents need reform so companies [like Apple] don't clog up domestic and foreign courts with lawsuits stemming from Intellectual properties.

This message was brought to you from my mind, you may not use or reproduce this without prior written consent from my mind. I deem all prior statement INTELLECTUAL property because I patented an, albeit broad, IDEA.

/Sarcasm Off.
Edited by chunkII123 - 8/23/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
They are, but what Apple has patented (I'd say several hundred patents that they happen own) "shouldn't" have been approved; as they are too general, broad, whatever you want to call it. Most of OCN's argument for that is that the patent system is horribly inefficient and needs to be totally revamped. Patents are just getting approved left and right; I wouldn't be surprised if a patent for human fingers is somewhere in the system as approved.
How much does the OCN poster know about patent law? Based on the number of clear factual inaccuracies stated, I'd say about as much as they do about being a brain surgeon.
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How much does the OCN poster know about patent law? Based on the number of clear factual inaccuracies stated, I'd say about as much as they do about being a brain surgeon.
I'll bite.

It doesn't take a lawyer to know the basic laws of patenting. A basic high school economics class teaches you that. As a matter of fact I think even my DRIVER'S ED teacher randomly taught us a little bit about basic patent laws.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac.../1400_1402.htm

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The most common bases for filing a reissue application are:

(A) the claims are too narrow or too broad;
Apple patenting "how their tablet/smartphone looks" is ridiculous, as all tablets/smartphones consist of a touch screen, a few buttons, and a generic rectangular shape. Upon submitting their application for such patents they're trying to ban Samsung products over, it "should" have been rejected (as I mentioned before) for being far too broad/general. Just like there is no sole owner of the patent for cars, (by that I mean a patent for a vehicle with wheels, windows, body panels, and an engine) Apple's patent for "smartphone technology" is ridiculously broad and their case for patent infringement should have been thrown out the door the moment Apple claimed "Hey! their device looks just like ours with different internal software and hardware!"
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As far as I'm concerned you just failed the most basic of hurdles. Different law applies to design patent as opposed to utility patents.

As far as I'm concerned anything additional you have to say is tainted by the fact that you can't even address this fundamental distinction.

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I'll bite.

It doesn't take a lawyer to know the basic laws of patenting. A basic high school economics class teaches you that. As a matter of fact I think even my DRIVER'S ED teacher randomly taught us a little bit about basic patent laws.

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac.../1400_1402.htm



Apple patenting "how their tablet/smartphone looks" is ridiculous, as all tablets/smartphones consist of a touch screen, a few buttons, and a generic rectangular shape. Upon submitting their application for such patents they're trying to ban Samsung products over, it "should" have been rejected (as I mentioned before). Just like there is no sole owner of the patent for cars, (by that I mean wheels, windows, body panels, and and engine) Apple's patent for "smartphone technology" is ridiculously broad and their case for patent infringement should have been thrown out the door the moment Apple claimed "Hey! their device looks just like ours with different internal software and hardware!"
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k brosky, Apple is totally within their rights to sue Samsung over the Galaxy "looking like" the iPhone/iPad.
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