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Brilliant!!! Hope he will become one of the greatest scientists
    
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I feel like no one saw this post of mine, so again:

His flat array uses 10 panels, the tree array has 18 or so.

80% more panels for a 20-50% gain in energy production.

The flat array may have had another 10 panels on the other side of it, but that's not how you'd ever arrange a flat array (putting half your panels facing AWAY from the sun).
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post #13 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by kweechy View Post
I feel like no one saw this post of mine, so again:

His flat array uses 10 panels, the tree array has 18 or so.

80% more panels for a 20-50% gain in energy production.

The flat array may have had another 10 panels on the other side of it, but that's not how you'd ever arrange a flat array (putting half your panels facing AWAY from the sun).
Are you basing that on the picture? Or does it say that somewhere? Because it looks like there are 15 or so attachements to the tree but are they all solar panels, we cant know from that picture. Maybe those are to simulate the shading?
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Won't be released to the public will be brought out by the oil companys like what always happens with energy breakthroughs.
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This kids brain is definitely bottleneck free.
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Are you basing that on the picture? Or does it say that somewhere? Because it looks like there are 15 or so attachements to the tree but are they all solar panels, we cant know from that picture. Maybe those are to simulate the shading?
I counted 15 or so as well, from what I can tell they are all solar pannels.


He needed to determine which single panel was bringing in the most sunlight over the course of the day, if he then arranged the flat panel cells at the same angle, they would bring in more sunlight than the tree would. (Assuming the tree and the flat panel had the same number of solar panels).

Unfortunately, there is no way this design is more efficient than a flat panel system.

If you want something even better than a flat panel system, you would want a rotating system so the panels are always facing directly into the sun. You might also be able to do something interesting with mirrors to focus more light onto your panels.
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I'm surprised why solar panel researchers or scientists haven't thought of this...I mean isn't it logical to follow a tree's pattern of collecting sunlight since they've been around for millions of years?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kweechy View Post
I feel like no one saw this post of mine, so again:

His flat array uses 10 panels, the tree array has 18 or so.

80% more panels for a 20-50% gain in energy production.

The flat array may have had another 10 panels on the other side of it, but that's not how you'd ever arrange a flat array (putting half your panels facing AWAY from the sun).
I think the point that you are missing is that, yes there are more panels on the tree but only some of them will get sun at any given time.

The gain then is not from the fact that there are more panels, but from the fact that they are exposed to optimum angles relative to the sun for a longer time.

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Originally Posted by bruestle2 View Post
He needed to determine which single panel was bringing in the most sunlight over the course of the day, if he then arranged the flat panel cells at the same angle, they would bring in more sunlight than the tree would. (Assuming the tree and the flat panel had the same number of solar panels).

Unfortunately, there is no way this design is more efficient than a flat panel system.

If you want something even better than a flat panel system, you would want a rotating system so the panels are always facing directly into the sun. You might also be able to do something interesting with mirrors to focus more light onto your panels.
This is true and some of the more advance system do in fact track with the sun. Unfortunately that is impractical for single family type dwellings so you will mostly see that on energy farms and big commercial buildings.

Some variation of the tree design may end up being more usable in the home.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bruestle2 View Post
I counted 15 or so as well, from what I can tell they are all solar pannels.


He needed to determine which single panel was bringing in the most sunlight over the course of the day, if he then arranged the flat panel cells at the same angle, they would bring in more sunlight than the tree would. (Assuming the tree and the flat panel had the same number of solar panels).

Unfortunately, there is no way this design is more efficient than a flat panel system.

If you want something even better than a flat panel system, you would want a rotating system so the panels are always facing directly into the sun. You might also be able to do something interesting with mirrors to focus more light onto your panels.
This may be true for a small scale design (i.e. 10 flats vs 20 leaf-arrangement) but at a much larger scale, the margin of benefit may greatly increase.

The whole point is that we assume that the nature is the most efficient at doing what it is doing, and this experiment shows that mimicry of different things in nature, in this case the natural arrangement of leaves through millions of years of evolution, promises to improve the inherent drawback of the solar panels in nature.

No reason to blast the kid lol.
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This may be true for a small scale design (i.e. 10 flats vs 20 leaf-arrangement) but at a much larger scale, the margin of benefit may greatly increase.

The whole point is that we assume that the nature is the most efficient at doing what it is doing, and this experiment shows that mimicry of different things in nature, in this case the natural arrangement of leaves through millions of years of evolution, promises to improve the inherent drawback of the solar panels in nature.

No reason to blast the kid lol.
It is a cool concept, I will give him that. It is really more so the fault of the news making more out of it than it actually is.
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