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post #1 of 17
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I have a Topre Realforce 103UB and I got it primarily because I thought I would use the numpad. Dead wrong.

I'm now considering bringing that keyboard to work (gasp!) and getting another keyboard to serve me more for gaming purposes (ie: numpadless aka 10 keyless).

My main question is what makes the Topre better than other keyboards out there like the HHKBs and the cherry, blues, browns, etc? I honestly love my keyboard right now, but from what I recall, Topre doesn't even use switches?

Next question I guess is should I get the Topre 87 with ergonomic weight sensitive keys or should I go for the 55g all around? Elite Keyboards is also apparently offering a limited edition "silent" 87 as well... anyone have suggestions?
post #2 of 17
It is my understanding that Topre's are switches, but they use springs in contrast to Cherry MX switches.

I think it's a matter of opinion on what type of switch you like best. If this is just a keyboard for gaming, Cherry MX Blacks are generally regarded as best. What is your budget? Do you need backlighting on the keycaps?
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by klaxian View Post
It is my understanding that Topre's are switches, but they use springs in contrast to Cherry MX switches.

I think it's a matter of opinion on what type of switch you like best. If this is just a keyboard for gaming, Cherry MX Blacks are generally regarded as best. What is your budget? Do you need backlighting on the keycaps?
No sir! My keyboard now is actually all black and I prefer it that way. I like to keep things as simple as possible, but the best performance. My budget is nonexistent. I paid ~$300 for the RealForce, I would go up to $500 for a keyboard if it's as nice as that.

Topre Key Switches:
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Type: Tactile Capacitive Switch
Link: Patent
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 30g, 35g, 45g, 55g depending on model (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 4mm

Topre switches are somewhat of a hybrid switch, and are capacitive by nature. The Topre mechanism uses a spring underneath a rubber dome, and the depression of the spring causes a change in capacitance between the underlying capacitor pads. With this change in capacitance; the switch activates.

Topre Switches are considered some of the finest switches available, as they offer a very enjoyable typing experience with a quieter experience compared to a Cherry MX, Alps, or Buckling Spring switch. The reason is Topre switches have the smoothest force gradient even compared to Linear switches like MX-Reds and MX-Blacks.

Taken from: http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/4...ard-guide.html
Edited by xyeLz - 8/19/11 at 8:42am
post #4 of 17
I've never used Topre switches, but I've heard that they are awesome. If you like the Realforce, why not just get a tenkeyless model?

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.p...s,rftenkeyless

All things considered, I love my Deck. From the laser/ink keycaps to the MX switches and build quality, it's hard to beat. The LEDs add some nice flare to your night gaming also. I'm not sure if it's for you, but they have a tenkeyless model here:

http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product...products_id=30
post #5 of 17
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I've never used Topre switches, but I've heard that they are awesome. If you like the Realforce, why not just get a tenkeyless model?

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.p...s,rftenkeyless

All things considered, I love my Deck. From the laser/ink keycaps to the MX switches and build quality, it's hard to beat. The LEDs add some nice flare to your night gaming also. I'm not sure if it's for you, but they have a tenkeyless model here:

http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product...products_id=30
The deck looks cool. Definitely looks like a HHKB. But you're right, really not my style.

I am absolutely considering another RealForce, but I didn't know if I should go for the 55gram, the weight sensitive, or the "silent" version - which if I'm not mistaken is weighted as well? Right now I have the weight sensitive one. I haven't ever used the 55g one so I'm not sure if I would tell the difference anyways. I've been using the weighted one for gaming.

Would I be right in saying that the 55g is probably more consistent for gaming while the weight sensitive makes more sense for consistent typing?
post #6 of 17
I'm not exactly sure, but the general consensus is that switches that require more force to press are better for gaming - hence MX BLacks in most cases. I would go with which ever requires the most force to press since you will be likely banging the keys rapidly during intense gaming sessions.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by klaxian View Post
It is my understanding that Topre's are switches, but they use springs in contrast to Cherry MX switches.

I think it's a matter of opinion on what type of switch you like best. If this is just a keyboard for gaming, Cherry MX Blacks are generally regarded as best. What is your budget? Do you need backlighting on the keycaps?
Cherry MX switches uses springs too.

In regards to keycaps and build quality, The Realforces and HHKB pros use dye-sublimation PBT keycaps that have the best texture and feeling out of all the keycaps I have personally tried. Topre build quality is top notch, everything from the materials used to the precise work and care needed to construct their keyboards. You'd easily understand this if you had the chance to own a Topre yourself.
post #8 of 17
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Hmm, interesting about the more pressure to press, the better. See, I would have thought the opposite as it would make your actions quicker. Not arguing though! Just curious!

I will be sticking with the RealForce here, but does anyone have any input as to the 55g, weighted, or "silent"? (Does anyone know what the silent really is?)
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by xyeLz View Post
Hmm, interesting about the more pressure to press, the better. See, I would have thought the opposite as it would make your actions quicker. Not arguing though! Just curious!

I will be sticking with the RealForce here, but does anyone have any input as to the 55g, weighted, or "silent"? (Does anyone know what the silent really is?)
silent = not clicky (keys do close to no sound when pressed).

I just bought a xArmor board with MX blues. They're awesome for shooters.

As you're used to rather hard-ish switches, i recommend a board with MX blacks, blues or again some Topre switches. Browns and reds IMO are too soft for gaming, and clears are basically nonexistant.
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post #10 of 17
your 103ub uses the variable weighting, if you like it stick with it. your esc key is a 55g weighted key so you can get an idea of what 55g force feels like. the silent model incudes dampeners to make the board even more quiet.
    
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