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can someone confirm that android will def be ported to this touchpad deal? I would love to run MIUI on this deal. make the apple fanboys go whaaaaaa?
Nothing is definite, but there are I think 2 different groups working on it, as well as a few videos floating around actually showing 2.2.1 on one. There is also a bounty of $2000 that has been posted as a reward for the group that successfully ports it.
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can someone confirm that android will def be ported to this touchpad deal? I would love to run MIUI on this deal. make the apple fanboys go whaaaaaa?
We can only "confirm" insofar as projects are underway to try and accomplish the task. When and or if they'll get a stable usable OS is anyone's guess. The OS as is I like quite a bit. If you're mega into apps and what not, it is annoying that most of the apps in the HP app store are not optimized for tablet/Touchpad.
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Anyone else unable to log in to hotmail? Keeps coming up with, "this website must be having problems." I can log in just fine on my pc.
Use https://hotmail.com instead of just http:// and you'll be able to log in fine.
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Anyone else unable to log in to hotmail? Keeps coming up with, "this website must be having problems." I can log in just fine on my pc.
Are you trying to get your hotmail via the browser? You can actually access hotmail by setting up an exchange account on the TP.
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Has anyone actually been in a barnes & noble to see if they have the accessories?
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Has anyone actually been in a barnes & noble to see if they have the accessories?
Anyone's guess. BN.com and Barnes&Noble are to completely separate commercial entities that only really share a name and that is it.
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Has anyone actually been in a barnes & noble to see if they have the accessories?
If I do end up getting one of these, sadly, I'll probably end up spending more on accessories then the tablet itself.

I need:

Touchstone compadible case: $30
Touchstone: $50
A pair of M50s: $90 used, $120 new
Keyboard: $50

Total: $250 on accessories. Obviously, the Touchstone and the keyboard can both wait.
    
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I kinda disagree. HP could have kept charging that amount if the TouchPad was more polished at launch...it could have been a viable device. It's got good internals, a good screen and good speakers. It's WebOS that's the problem.

At stock, the TouchPad is god freakin' awful, even with the HP OTA update. To make is anywhere close to enjoyable takes effort with disabling the logging, installing Preware and a litany of user-created patches. Even then, it still lacks a lot of refinement seen in the iPad and I'm sure the Galaxy Tab. I can overlook the bulkiness...but the OS's quirks make it real hard for me to use and enjoy.

For $100-150, the TouchPad is a fantastic tablet. At $500, it's god freakin' terrible, but it's really just WebOS holding it back.

Anand had a nice write up on it here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4658/i...uchpad-myths/3

I'm personally going to install Android once it becomes available. Hopefully that'll make it more enjoyable, otherwise I'll probably wind up selling it.

tl:dr HP could have had a winner if not for WebOS being so unpolished.
HP could still have a winner at $250-300 as is and tweaks and enhancements would just be icing on the cake (the secondary market seems to think that the value of a NIB HP tablet is $250-300). A tablet cost of less than $300 could be achieved with just a few tweaks. The next step is to offer either a plain-jane tablet for cost ($250-300) or offer a bundle ($250-300 tablet and $300 in accessories) for $450-500 (A $100 'deal'). HP would gain marketshare with the $250 and make a profit from the app store and from accessories (accessories where the real profits are anyway; even a plain tablet buyer would likely buy a case, screen protector, car charger, etc). The $300 in bundled accessories would tack on probably $50 or less in actual cost, but would provide immediate profits for HP. Meanwhile, consumers would likely spend the $450 for the view the bundle as a better deal than the cheaper unit. Further profit could be made (ala the Apple strategy) by adding a $8 3g chip and tacking $150 on to the price (and perhaps only selling the 3g device in bundles for ($650-700, around the cost of a smartphone and subsidizable by carriers).

I agree, the tablet is very unoptimized. One perfect example is the boot process. This writeup from webos-internals.org shows how inefficient the boot process is (1.4 though judging by the similar boot times in 2.x and 3.x, I assume that the boot process has not been changed). there would be just a little work to decrease boot time to seconds rather than minutes.

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You see from the Gentoo charts what a system that has a sense of order should look like. You should also see (plain as day...) why it's important for apps to send the "Done!" signal back to the caller. webOS's init is FULL of "sleep" commands because exit status seems to never be called back to init, so they make everything sleep hoping that the services started. See this comment in /etc/init.d/watchdog.sh:

# How long should watchdog's timer be? It takes 8 seconds from when I
# emit control-alt-delete until the logs stop. 10 or 15 would suffice
# in that case, and I doubt the user will still have the battery in
# place if it stays hung for 60 seconds.

So even though it's been timed out, they muse about an additional 2 to 7 seconds to be safe, but they set it to 60:

SLEEP_SECONDS=60

This is just one example of how much more stream lined the boot process can be made to be.
the following charts are (in order) webos, gentoo(no parallel boot) and gentoo(parallel boot) while the gentoo numbers are from a faster machine, the principles remain true:






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Screw walmart. Theyre the only ones sstill screwing people over with the retail price.
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