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Ok guys. I think it's time I do this right, and get assurance I am going to get my computer working. I'll also point out right now - I will in fact be asking nooby questions that may make me look a little foolish. It's just my first time

For nearly a year now I have been eyeballing parts and dreaming about building my first PC. Over the past few months, foolishly, I have been purchasing the parts I decided on for the build as soon as I saw them with a deal or could use a promo code or had the cash. That's my first mistake, I've realized. It was a bad one. But anyways, one of the parts I got early was my case. I decided to rebuild my old rig into the new case for practice so I get my entirely new rig done right. Well, on July 27th I fried my motherboard because I didn't use stand offs. My next major, foolish mistake.

Just about two days ago I got my Phenom II X4 955 BE processor, and that was the final part I needed to build the new rig. I used standoffs this time, had a hard time getting the thermal paste off of the end of the syringe it came in, did get it, got my cooler on, that went nice and smooth, installing the RAM went smooth, my Samsung F3 was already in the case (I used that for my old rig... So it has drivers still from the old mobo, if there are any, I am not sure... I know the mobo bios is just on the motherboard, I have learned that, but I do not know about mobo drivers having to go onto an HDD... I'll get into this later) and same for my cdrom drive, it was already in the case, so for those all I had to do was plug in the SATA data cables that came with my mobo and the SATA power cables that were on my PSU. Went nice and smooth. Once I got everything in the case and installed... I had no video... Later I found out the computer was not posting.... I reset my CMOS battery, tested each RAM stick (had two of them) individually, tested them together, was still getting no system beep signalling it past some form of a check, no BIOS load up screen, nothing... Tried with out RAM sticks to get a warning beep or missing ram beep code of some sort... Computer just wasn't posting... I've decided that my mobo was faulty and needed to RMA it (M4A79 XTD EVO that was an Open Box from newegg) and buy a brand new one to finish the build with, hopefully.

As for the other parts, I've determined that my GPU is effective still as it worked in my brother's computer and his was working in his of course, so I know I have an operational GPU. My PSU is operational as it was powering my mobo on, HDD on, CDROM drive on, and front case fan on, so I have to assume it is fully functional. My cases cables to it's front switches and LED's are operational as I was able to use the power button to turn the computer on and off. I was and still am not sure if my CPU is effective or not how ever. It fit just fine into the mobo socket, and I eyeballed it carefully and did not see any broken pins and made a post in the processor's section with some pics I took to see if any one else could find any... So far no one has. So I can only guess that it is effective for now as I have no other hardware to test it on.. I am also unaware if my RAM is effective or not as some folk here at OCN were suggesting that it could have very well been the cause of the problem, had a faulty motherboard not been a cause of the problem.

So what exactly will be the ABSOLUTE best course of action to take when it comes to the parts I have now? I can distrust my RAM and CPU, and have G.Skill replace my RAM as it is well under warranty, and I can have newegg replace my CPU (Will they replace it with a brand new one since it was purchased new?) as it was just received two days ago. Some one has offered me a 7800 GTX 512mb as long as I pay shipping, should I grab this as well? I am looking at purchasing an M5A97 mobo from newegg, brand new, as my Dad said he will help me out paying for the parts I need.... Or should I keep my parts and hope that I can trust them in the end?

And once I have parts that I can trust completely or decide to trust my current parts, what is the absolute safest way to construct the computer so I can get back up and running? I've already had two bad experiences and been down nearly a month... I want my third attempt, hehe third times the charm, to go as smoothly as possible.

Do I need to wipe my HDD ASAP as to remove possible driver conflicts or something? (Side note really quick - Do motherboard's have drivers that need to be installed into HDD's?) I also am short on a way of installing windows 7 once the drive is wiped how ever...

I'll just make this HDD junk into one as clear as possible question - Must I do anything to/with my HDD for the new rig and new mobo because it was used and working on my old rig with my old mobo?

Ok, to recap, what I would I would like answered;

Should I trust my current CPU and RAM after the experience I have had attempting to get a new build operational with them? Or should I have them both replaced ASAP to ensure that I will have a working computer once I get a new motherboard?

Should I replace my 9500GT with a 7800 GTX even though I know for a fact the 9500GT is operational?

Do I need to wipe my current HDD in order to get it to work with a new motherboard?

Once I have parts that I trust, what is the ABSOLUTE safest way possible to construct the computer to avoid all possible problems? I've watched quite a few "How To" videos on constructing a PC and followed the same basic process as the guys who constructed the PC in the video, and still have yet to construct a working rig... Is this only because I have had bad luck with my hardware so far?

Last one, I think; Is the Antec High Current Gamer 620w a pretty good PSU? I thought it was, had all the connection's I need and was on the recommended list in the PSU section...

I can not say how much I appreciate any help given, and if you need any further details on what parts I used to attempt to construct my last rig, take a peak at my sig rig, those are the parts I am/was using. If you need any more details, ask, I should be able to answer.

Insert millions of Thank You's here,
-Rivaldog

EDIT: I may have a friend near by that has a motherboard for me to test out my RAM and CPU on... Since his computer is currently up and running but with a different CPU and memory, what would be the best way to get my RAM into his system and see if it works? Reset his CMOS battery and then install my RAM and see if the computer works, and then put his RAM back in see that it works, then put in my CPU and see if it works?
Edited by rivaldog - 8/20/11 at 8:59am
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Ok guys. I think it's time I do this right, and get assurance I am going to get my computer working. I'll also point out right now - I will in fact be asking nooby questions that may make me look a little foolish. It's just my first time

For nearly a year now I have been eyeballing parts and dreaming about building my first PC. Over the past few months, foolishly, I have been purchasing the parts I decided on for the build as soon as I saw them with a deal or could use a promo code or had the cash. That's my first mistake, I've realized. It was a bad one. But anyways, one of the parts I got early was my case. I decided to rebuild my old rig into the new case for practice so I get my entirely new rig done right. Well, on July 27th I fried my motherboard because I didn't use stand offs. My next major, foolish mistake.

Just about two days ago I got my Phenom II X4 955 BE processor, and that was the final part I needed to build the new rig. I used standoffs this time, had a hard time getting the thermal paste off of the end of the syringe it came in, did get it, got my cooler on, that went nice and smooth, installing the RAM went smooth, my Samsung F3 was already in the case (I used that for my old rig... So it has drivers still from the old mobo, if there are any, I am not sure... I know the mobo bios is just on the motherboard, I have learned that, but I do not know about mobo drivers having to go onto an HDD... I'll get into this later) and same for my cdrom drive, it was already in the case, so for those all I had to do was plug in the SATA data cables that came with my mobo and the SATA power cables that were on my PSU. Went nice and smooth. Once I got everything in the case and installed... I had no video... Later I found out the computer was not posting.... I reset my CMOS battery, tested each RAM stick (had two of them) individually, tested them together, was still getting no system beep signalling it past some form of a check, no BIOS load up screen, nothing... Tried with out RAM sticks to get a warning beep or missing ram beep code of some sort... Computer just wasn't posting... I've decided that my mobo was faulty and needed to RMA it (M4A79 XTD EVO that was an Open Box from newegg) and buy a brand new one to finish the build with, hopefully.

So you have tested everything?


As for the other parts, I've determined that my GPU is effective still as it worked in my brother's computer and his was working in his of course, so I know I have an operational GPU. My PSU is operational as it was powering my mobo on, HDD on, CDROM drive on, and front case fan on, so I have to assume it is fully functional. My cases cables to it's front switches and LED's are operational as I was able to use the power button to turn the computer on and off. I was and still am not sure if my CPU is effective or not how ever. It fit just fine into the mobo socket, and I eyeballed it carefully and did not see any broken pins and made a post in the processor's section with some pics I took to see if any one else could find any... So far no one has. So I can only guess that it is effective for now as I have no other hardware to test it on.. I am also unaware if my RAM is effective or not as some folk here at OCN were suggesting that it could have very well been the cause of the problem, had a faulty motherboard not been a cause of the problem.

The only way to know for sure is to test individually each stick

So what exactly will be the ABSOLUTE best course of action to take when it comes to the parts I have now? I can distrust my RAM and CPU, and have G.Skill replace my RAM as it is well under warranty, and I can have newegg replace my CPU (Will they replace it with a brand new one since it was purchased new?) as it was just received two days ago. Some one has offered me a 7800 GTX 512mb as long as I pay shipping, should I grab this as well? I am looking at purchasing an M5A97 mobo from newegg, brand new, as my Dad said he will help me out paying for the parts I need.... Or should I keep my parts and hope that I can trust them in the end?

And once I have parts that I can trust completely or decide to trust my current parts, what is the absolute safest way to construct the computer so I can get back up and running? I've already had two bad experiences and been down nearly a month... I want my third attempt, hehe third times the charm, to go as smoothly as possible.

Do I need to wipe my HDD ASAP as to remove possible driver conflicts or something? (Side note really quick - Do motherboard's have drivers that need to be installed into HDD's?) I also am short on a way of installing windows 7 once the drive is wiped how ever...

It would be better to wipe the old HDD and yes motherboards do have drivers.

I'll just make this HDD junk into one as clear as possible question - Must I do anything to/with my HDD for the new rig and new mobo because it was used and working on my old rig with my old mobo?

wipe it.

Ok, to recap, what I would I would like answered;

Should I trust my current CPU and RAM after the experience I have had attempting to get a new build operational with them? Or should I have them both replaced ASAP to ensure that I will have a working computer once I get a new motherboard?


I would test first on a friends machine to see if that they are in-fact at fault

Should I replace my 9500GT with a 7800 GTX even though I know for a fact the 9500GT is operational?

No, if you know that the 9500GT works then stick to it.

Do I need to wipe my current HDD in order to get it to work with a new motherboard?

Yes

Once I have parts that I trust, what is the ABSOLUTE safest way possible to construct the computer to avoid all possible problems? I've watched quite a few "How To" videos on constructing a PC and followed the same basic process as the guys who constructed the PC in the video, and still have yet to construct a working rig... Is this only because I have had bad luck with my hardware so far?

Don't build the PC on the carpet.

Last one, I think; Is the Antec High Current Gamer 620w a pretty good PSU? I thought it was, had all the connection's I need and was on the recommended list in the PSU section...

Since the chances are that you wont be overclocking then it will serve well.

I can not say how much I appreciate any help given, and if you need any further details on what parts I used to attempt to construct my last rig, take a peak at my sig rig, those are the parts I am/was using. If you need any more details, ask, I should be able to answer.

Insert millions of Thank You's here,
-Rivaldog

EDIT: I may have a friend near by that has a motherboard for me to test out my RAM and CPU on... Since his computer is currently up and running but with a different CPU and memory, what would be the best way to get my RAM into his system and see if it works? Reset his CMOS battery and then install my RAM and see if the computer works, and then put his RAM back in see that it works, then put in my CPU and see if it works?
For the testing on your friends PC I would suggest that you follow these steps:

1) write down his settings in BIOS and what he has.
2) put your ram in and set to factory settings for the RAM

! if this stops the booting of the machine then try one stick at a time.
! One at a time in slot 1/2 each stick in each slot.

If neither of those stopped boot then
If it did stop boot then RMA RAM

3) take your RAM out and put your friends back in and test the CPU.

! If friends ram works with your CPU then RMA RAM.
! If your CPU and your RAM works in your friends Motherboard then RMA the faulty motherboard.

But do this if nothing else works.
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Okay, that is a lot of text but I'll try my best to disect it with answers.

1. RMA'ing your MoBo is a good first step.

2. Don't return anything else until you test it in your new motherboard. If you plug everything into your new motherboard and it still isn't working, then it may be another part that is bad.

3. No reason to switch GPU if it is working in your brother's computer.

4. When building, make sure that everything is seated properly. I got worried when my 2nd build wouldn't POST and it turned out that one stick of RAM wasn't seated properly D=

5. It's recommended that you do a fresh install of Windows on an HDD when building a new rig. Back up any data you have on your HDD to your brothers computer and then reformat it while installing windows.

6. Motherboards don't have "drivers" that need to be installed into Windows, but there are certain functions of motherboards that need drivers installed into Windows to work (if that makes sense). For example, you need to install your LAN/network drivers, audio drivers, etc...but those won't effect whether the motherboard is "working" or POSTing.

7. Antec HCG series are solid PSU's so no worries there.

8. When building, make sure you touch your case each time before you're about to touch a part in order to discharge static. Work on a hard surface (not carpet) if possible.

Anyways, the first step is to get your new MoBo. Once you receive it, try re-assembling your PC and see if it posts. Make sure everything is wired and seated correctly. Post back here with your results and we can go from there. Good luck!
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You guys rock

So I'm shipping off my old mobo to newegg for a refund monday.

I have a 150gb hard drive that should be able to hold what is currently on my 1TB. I should be able to get my disc back soon for Windows 7 so I can wipe the HDD.

If either my CPU or RAM is defective, it won't negatively affect a working mobo will it? Just stop the PC from posting?

I'll keep the 9500GT then.

I avoided carpet this construction process and constructed the PC in the kitchen and then hooked it back up in my room to the monitor to find out it wasn't posting. I'm going to bring my whole set up downstairs into the kitchen next time... lol

I'd like to test out my parts on a friends computer, but none of my friends have a mobo supporting DDR3 or an AM3 socket CPU...

Definitely will stick with the HCG 620w PSU then since it will serve well. I see no reason to switch anyways, just wondering if it was a solid PSU.

Going to go for a brand new M5A97 mobo for the new system since an open box M4A79 XTD Evo didn't quite work... lol

And to be honest, although it may seem foolish with all the trouble I am having doing something considered to be so basic as just getting a personally built PC up and running, yes, I do plan on overclocking. I've talked to Phaedrus about the PSU wattage and used his calculator in the PSU section multiple times and 620w will be plenty for me for quite a while. I'll take the over clocking process nice and slow, one small small step by one small small step once I get to it, but that's for later of course, for a few weeks or so after I get the rig running and have some fun on BC2 over 15 frames a second.

Thanks a ton for the help again guys, as soon as I get the new mobo and reconstruct the rig I will be sure to post back here.

Any one who is reading after this post, advice and answers to the OP are still very much appreciated.
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The 9500Gt is likely faster,
you don't have to wipe the HDD/reinstall anything esp. if it's the same motherboard; as long as it is on the same platform then pretty much nothing has to be done. I went from a 790X to a 990X without reinstalling Windows on my SSD. It works just fine.
use standoffs?
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Definitely using standoffs lol... Suppose to have received nine with my CM Elite 430 but the bag they came in along with about 40 or so screws was ripped wide open and I have only found 8 so far... Used 7 when I was constructing the rig last time and it still did the job just fine, so I'm sure being short one won't have much of an effect, it's still a ways away from touching the case. Would the 9500GT really be faster than the 7800 GTX? The 9500GT is only DDR2 512mb, the 7800GTX is DDR3 512mb XP

Also, about the HDD, it is definitely not the same motherboard or even platform. The old rig that it was working on was LGA 775 and I don't even know the model of the mobo, some foxconn mobo from the Inspiron 530s built in 2007, and I will be using the HDD on an M5A97 now. So I should probably wipe it?
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