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The MHz war is over, so is IPC war.

Windows 8 will be more threaded, all programs in the future will be more threaded. If u buy a BD now, all your programs in the future will get faster than if you used HT CPU.. ie: If u buy BD now, 3 years from now it's faster running the same program, because that program is now multi-threaded.


IPC only matter in old programs and outdated platforms that are stuck to 2GB memory and 32bit OS. Once a single developer knows the 64bit space and multi-threading, then IPC won't matter in the business world either. Which is what Intel CPU are designed for, business. Not home users.

IPC ONLY matters in Intel business application, namely BAPCo.. How fast of a spread sheet do you need?




The future is quite easy to see & understand, namely a core for every thread running on your system.

As.. no matter what single application, game, or program you want to run, it will reside within an Operating System. But BAPCo & Intel want you to believe otherwise, because it sells chips to ignorant Governments, using BAPCo... & of coarse end-user who jump on the same bandwagon.

Intel will have 6 & 8 core out in 2012. Trying to bash AMD for realizing Win8 before Intel, illustrates a reactionary need within you.
Here's the problem with this: your post is riddled with "will", "future", etc. Buying a CPU now in the hopes it will become more viable in 3 YEARS seems like a terrible choice to me. By that time processors will have yet again doubled in speed and core count. I'd rather have 4 fast cores than 8 slower cores for current applications.
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Why would you buy a CPU now, in hopes that in 3 years it will work to its full capacity?

I'd rather buy the best modern CPU today, and enjoy it for the next couple years, and in 3 years, I'll buy what ever the best CPU is out at the time.

The 3930K is looking more and more solid every day, as my next upgrade.
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Why would you buy a CPU now, in hopes that in 3 years it will work to its full capacity?

I'd rather buy the best modern CPU today, and enjoy it for the next couple years, and in 3 years, I'll buy what ever the best CPU is out at the time.

The 3930K is looking more and more solid every day, as my next upgrade.
Almost all the games I play today use all 6 cores of my X6 (to varying degrees).

BFBC2
L4D2
World in Conflict
Starcraft 2
Dead Space 2 (EDIT: Actually, I think this one only uses 3 like ME2... Can't remember.)

The only ones that don't seem to be Mass Effect 2 and FSX (FSX was just poorly done from the get-go).

8 cores really isn't that many now days.
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thats such crap.

fsx is a great way to gauge cpu power and it is quite multithreaded after service pack 2

there is only 1 game that shows a benefit from 6 cores and that is lost planet 2,

All the games you listed show no fps improvement going from 4- to 6 cores, even if they are capable of using 6 threads.

lol left 4 dead 2 needs 6 cores, yeah sure buddy

all unreal engine 3 games can use eight cores, but really show no benefit over using 2 because it was designed with 2 cores in mind not 8
Edited by Lex Luger - 8/22/11 at 11:52am
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thats such crap.

fsx is a great way to gauge cpu power and it is quite multithreaded after service pack 2

there is only 1 game that shows a benefit from 6 cores and that is lost planet 2,

All the games you listed show no fps improvement going from 4- to 6 cores, even if they are capable of using 6 threads.

lol left 4 dead 2 needs 6 cores, yeah sure buddy

all unreal engine 3 games can use eight cores, but really show no benefit over using 2 because it was designed with 2 cores in mind not 8
Jesus people need to stop confusing "needs" with "uses."

Also, FSX doesn't utilize more than 2 cores. Very poorly threaded, even after SP1 (2 was just Acceleration multiplayer compatibility and DX10 preview). FSX is a great way to demonstrate IPC and memory bandwidth ability of a processor.

If the cores are EQUAL (Denab cores seem to perform better than Thuban cores, mind you) and no GPU bottleneck, a game that sees activity on all 6 cores will perform better than 4 of those same cores, assuming there is enough of a load that it could not be done in 4 in the same amount of time.

A graphics engine can use as many cores as it is told to, it's how the game is coded that matters most.

I will say, in single threaded situations (like the intro movie to L4D2), the Thuban is very disappointing. On my Denab, it was perfectly smooth, on the Thuban... not so much. They may have added more cores, but the individual cores are not as powerful as the Denab's.

Lets hope that the individual Bulldozer cores are respectable.
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Here's the problem with this:
your post is riddled with "will", "future", etc. Buying a CPU now in the hopes it will become more viable in 3 YEARS seems like a terrible choice to me. By that time processors will have yet again doubled in speed and core count. I'd rather have 4 fast cores than 8 slower cores for current applications.
The future is tomarrow. Things that came out last year, is the past.

We've already been told of future operating systems (or, should I say in your case; Next Year's OS) will be even be more threaded. So I don't place much importance on "hope", these are facts that don't hold true for Intel's consumer chips.

You want fast, because it is the only metric you understand.


Lastly, I agree. So why bother buying an intel that isn't forward thinking? Specially as a end-user (home owner)?
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thats such crap.

fsx is a great way to gauge cpu power and it is quite multithreaded after service pack 2

there is only 1 game that shows a benefit from 6 cores and that is lost planet 2,

All the games you listed show no fps improvement going from 4- to 6 cores, even if they are capable of using 6 threads.

lol left 4 dead 2 needs 6 cores, yeah sure buddy

all unreal engine 3 games can use eight cores, but really show no benefit over using 2 because it was designed with 2 cores in mind not 8
Max frames per second is not the only metric in game play.

After 3GHz on any modern CPU, you have nearly the same FPS. However, ultimate speed (more fps) is an utter joke and pointless. The metric people don't want & hardly ever concern themselves with (except Hard OCP) is the Minumum amount of frames, or stuttering, hiccups and frame loss.

Who really cares about max frames..?
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If Intel sold the 2600k @ 4.5 GHz, we'd all have weak OCs too.

In fact, Intel should sell it with a base clock of 2.66 GHz, that way we all feel super good about ourselves for being 5 GHz stable.
If they did 4.5Ghz, they wouldn't exactly fit in the margin of "under 100w".
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Really? Read... or watch the video.
Really? Read my response. This has been old news, and already been discussed.

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I'm not saying it's fake, we already had a discussion about it in the Bulldozer Blog is live thread for a few days now.

This isn't news, but WCCF will pass off anything as news.
Here's my response to the discussion we had about it.
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I think the point people have been trying to make for a while now, is that for a gaming rig where MOST games barely utilize 4 cores...

An 8 core CPU is utterly pointless, as shown in AMD's own video.



Disclaimer: I'm well aware that more games can use more than 4 cores, but that's certainly in the minority right now.

The MAJORITY of games don't use more than 4 cores right now.

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Um.. my i7 runs this game just fine, and its a dinosaur in computer years.
but does your i7 run it at playable framerates on integrated graphics??

the bulldozer uses a graphics processor thats built into the cpu
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