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I could have noted down every single click of the mouse for the BF2 and BC2 startup processes aswell, but I was assuming that we were having a grown up discussion and not spinning info just to make yourself correct.
You went in depth about skipping sponsor page (which literally takes a mouse click). Feeling a little hypocritical here? It's obvious you were biased towards BF3. You made no mention of Origin in the original post either lol

I have no idea what is wrong with your rig, but if its taking you anywhere near 10 seconds for your browser to load, I'm quite sure its not Battlelogs fault.
On a cold boot? It takes 10 seconds to launch Firefox, look up a benchmark made in the past 3 months and you'd see that as well


Complaining about a (supposedly) 1mb download for the webpage? Are you on 56k?
1mb/s would still take a long time to load and then render. 3 seconds or more is what I'd say.
"loads page". You dont say? Or are you insinuating that it takes any substantial length of time?
Look above.


Basically of what you just typed is opinion, almost none of it is factual.

Worse than ubi drm? If you say so.
I do say so.
Annoyance? For you maybe. Pressing alt-tab is no more laborious for me that pressing escape and clicking the mouse one time, but that's just me.
Takes a good 3-5 seconds just to alt-tab out of full screen (though I personally prefer noborder window mode but we all know DICE hasn't even implemented noborder function ever even on their PC games.
Not good? If you say so.
As opposed to you saying it's good. Okay?
I have never at any point said that this is the future or any of the rubbish you're trying to pin on me.
Was mostly replying to someone else who made mention of it.
I have said however, that it WORKS and IS faster than other methods for getting in and out of games.
Were you even in the alpha? It wasn't faster at all. Ping times were still unreported as far as server browser goes. Honestly I found battlelog to be neat with the slot reservation and the inviting friends was decent at best. I kept an open mind when the alpha was going on knowing that I'd have a choice between a built in browser and battlelog and now I'm basically being told that this is the only usable way to connect to servers or even launch singleplayer campaigns when I don't have an internet connection.

So what we're basically talking about is 1300mb usage for a game, as opposed to the 1gb usage. You have to account for Origin which used 100mb during it's beta spree when the BF3 alpha was going on, and then add maybe 200 or so because firefox/chrome etc. Why? Because DICE is too lazy to program a decent server browser.

Let's be honest here, DICE couldn't make a decent one back in BC2, couldn't make a decent one in BF1942/2/2142, and they certainly can't make a decent one in BF3.


I have also said that I think an in game server browser would be more aesthetically pleasing, but as the core function is the same at the end of the day and does what it should, I don't really mind.
Running a web browser that is bound to have compatibility issues with the tons of browsers along with having to install addons into your browser just for the Battlelog to function and then calculating you'd have to launch the browser at all. This may provide the core function at the end of the day, but it certainly isn't remotely efficient as what it could be.
bold denotes my response.

anyway, at the end of the day. we're forced into using this when we were originally told we were going to be given a choice. I had no problem with battlelog when it was optional, in fact during the alpha i didn't mind it even when it carried the same quirks as BC2's browser did with unreported latency. but the point still stands, people still can't learn from what valve created as their server browser. nobody can really take a hint i guess.
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bold denotes my response.

anyway, at the end of the day. we're forced into using this when we were originally told we were going to be given a choice. I had no problem with battlelog when it was optional, in fact during the alpha i didn't mind it even when it carried the same quirks as BC2's browser did with unreported latency. but the point still stands, people still can't learn from what valve created as their server browser. nobody can really take a hint i guess.
The game literally takes 1-2 seconds to alt-tab in and out. Trust me, it's not that bad.
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bold denotes my response.

anyway, at the end of the day. we're forced into using this when we were originally told we were going to be given a choice. I had no problem with battlelog when it was optional, in fact during the alpha i didn't mind it even when it carried the same quirks as BC2's browser did with unreported latency. but the point still stands, people still can't learn from what valve created as their server browser. nobody can really take a hint i guess.
1. lol @ 21 seconds to start up Chrome. No seriously LOL.

2. I left out parts for ALL the games. I could have mentioned that you need to click after choosing a soldier in the other games, but I didn't bother. You are the one who decided to add literally everything you could.

3. Luckily, the average internet speed in most parts of earth is not 1mb/s.

4. It didn't take anywhere near 5 seconds for me to alt-tab out of BF3. Between this and the 21 seconds it takes to load Chrome, I think I might have bought a super computer by accident instead of what is a just above mainstream gaming machine lol!

5. I'd care about that supposed 1300Mb usage, if I didn't have enough RAM to run a 64 bit operating system and 4Gb is pretty much "average" for a gamer who cares about RAM usage. I have Origin, Steam and chrome with EIGHTEEN tabs open right now and still have the memory needed according to your calculations.

If it just about complaining about memory that wouldn't be getting used anyway, well then.......

6. The implementation I used was a decent server browser imo. Whether you thought it was decent enough is not a bullet point to use for argument. Again, there's no point putting your opinion where facts are supposed to be because everyone has an opinion and none of them are the correct one.

7. The server browser reported pings to me all the time. Really though, complaining about things not working in an alpha build like its a final product, before testing even a beta version is not very wise tbh.


But really, 21 seconds to load up Chrome???? Please.....

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The game literally takes 1-2 seconds to alt-tab in and out. Trust me, it's not that bad.
That's whats making me question if he truly did play the alpha.

Between all the hypothetical tone and the fact that alt-tabbing is slower for him than it is for me even when he has a faster CPU and better RAM...its a bit weird.

And.....21 seconds to load up CHROME?????
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/20/11 at 8:03pm
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1. lol @ 21 seconds to start up Chrome. No seriously LOL.

2. I left out parts for ALL the games. I could have mentioned that you need to click after choosing a soldier in the other games, but I didn't bother. You are the one who decided to add literally everything you could.

3. Luckily, the average internet speed in most parts of earth is not 1mb/s.

4. It didn't take anywhere near 5 seconds for me to alt-tab out of BF3. Between this and the 21 seconds it takes to load Chrome, I think I might have bought a super computer by accident instead of what is a just above mainstream gaming machine lol!

5. I'd care about that supposed 1300Mb usage, if I didn't have enough RAM to run a 64 bit operating system and 4Gb is pretty much "average" for a gamer who cares about RAM usage. I have Origin, Steam and chrome with EIGHTEEN tabs open right now and still have the memory needed according to your calculations.

If it just about complaining about memory that wouldn't be getting used anyway, well then.......

6. The implementation I used was a decent server browser imo. Whether you thought it was decent enough is not a bullet point to use for argument. Again, there's no point putting your opinion where facts are supposed to be because everyone has an opinion and none of them are the correct one.

7. The server browser reported pings to me all the time. Really though, complaining about things not working in an alpha build like its a final product, before testing even a beta version is not very wise tbh.


But really, 21 seconds to load up Chrome???? Please.....



That's whats making me question if he truly did play the alpha.

Between all the hypothetical tone and the fact that alt-tabbing is slower for him than it is for me even when he has a faster CPU and better RAM...its a bit weird.

And.....21 seconds to load up CHROME?????
lol @ not thinking 21 seconds is regular. why don't you turn off your computer for about an hour, turn it on, log into windows, and run chrome right off the bat. it's going to take a while

that's what i call a cold boot (you know, the thing i mentioned earlier?)

also i was speaking in general about tabbing out, it takes a while for tabbing in and out of fullscreen applications no matter the game. besides, i just used windowed mode like i said before. i also like how you ignore most of my post and only go for the points easiest to target. i guess this is pretty much over.

anyways:
you really got me bro.

you honestly are trying to defend battlelog, like i said, i don't evne have a problem with it at all if i could just have the option of a built-in server browser. but apparently you think having to run a web browser ontop of origin and then battlefield 3 is more beneficial than just having a built-in server browser like BF2/2142 did then i wonder (and please, i really do try to avoid personally insulting like this) if you are retarded.

also lol @ internet connection speed. the us average speed is actually about 7Mbps (which 8Mb = 1mb) so about 900kb/s. who would've thunk! Also most gamers on a budget have 2GB not 4gb. And to top it off: the required specs for BF3 is 2GB of ram.

Feel free to launch BC2 in windowed mode and alt-tab it's still a good 1-2 seconds. On cs:s it's almost instantaneous for me (with .5 second delay at best) and both of those were just waiting in the menu, i'd hate to see how it plays out in-game.

also lol at acting like that ping thing is going to be fixed. we all know it's still screwed up in BC2, if you want to try and deny that one as well i can start linking spuf threads

but really, to reiterate again, i have no problem with battlelog, when we had the option of a server browser (which consoles get ???) vs battlelog i'd choose server browser in a heart beat as it has the built in compatibility and no need for web browser addons, no need to waste memory for a web browser. feels like you're just a dice defense force member trying to defend DICE's actions even when they make utterly no sense
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I'm going to stop now because you're literally arguing your opinion and personal experiences like they apply to everyone else. Then there's all the anomalies all over the place.

Why talk "generally" about the subject as opposed to directly about it.

You can also stop telling me to "try" stuff. I use my browser every day.....if it ever took 21 seconds on any occasion, I;d know about it.

Its beyond stupid for you to show me a chart of benchmarks from god knows where, created by god knows what kind of data and try to tell me "no, your browser actually takes this long to load up, look this picture says so".

Same with the alpha. I know how long it took me to alt-tab out of it. Also, BF3 != BC2. The time it takes me to alt-tab out of one game does not equal the time it takes me to alt-tab out of the specific game we are actually talking about. I would have thought that concept was easy enough to understand.

And 21 seconds to launch Chrome???

*goes to bed*
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/20/11 at 9:11pm
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I'm going to stop now because you're literally arguing your opinion and personal experiences like they apply to everyone else. Then there's all the anomalies all over the place.

Why talk "generally" about the subject as opposed to directly about it.

You can also stop telling me to "try" stuff. I use my browser every day.....if it ever took 21 seconds on any occasion, I;d know about it.

Its beyond stupid for you to show me a chart of benchmarks from god knows where, created by god knows what kind of data and try to tell me "no, your browser actually takes this long to load up, look this picture says so".

Same with the alpha. I know how long it took me to alt-tab out of it. Also, BF3 != BC2. The time it takes me to alt-tab out of one game does not equal the time it takes me to alt-tab out of the specific game we are actually talking about. I would have thought that concept was easy enough to understand.

And 21 seconds to launch Chrome???

*goes to bed*
good night i guess? enjoy trying to argue this wasn't an opinionated subject from the beginning. have fun believing dice is god tier game development company that produce "quality" products. l0l also bc2 uses the same base engine so i guarantee it's going to alt-tab as slow on bf3. i like how you use feedback from the bf3 alpha to construct your argument but when i do the same it's all "oh no but it's an alpha so the release is going to be SOOOOOOOO different!"

goodnight fanboy.
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I don't know, it seems that half the game is on some server and the other half installs on your machine. Am I just buying a piece of the game or all the game?

While some are gun-ho for the changes (Origin/Battlelog) no one seems to have an answer to some of the other concerns others have brought up like how can we bring up the Single Player portion or change video/input setting without a game menu?

It's not a matter of if but when the Origin/Servers (what I would call a double DRM wammy) go down, and have no way to access anything from the game, am I just sitting on a coaster?

I can see other companies now giving us no menus at all. You install the game, jump through hoops and finally arrive at an online browser where you can assess the Single or Multiplayer games before you can play. It's like you have to ask permission for access before you can play. You might as well forgo boxed copies, why buy anything physical when in reality you own nothing and it's all in the hands of the gaming companies who will dictate your gaming sessions for you.

They might as well make all games cloud based maybe that's when some will draw the line. Since it sure looks like we're heading that way.
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This is a lot closer to real life than the other chart



http://lifehacker.com/5784396/browse...me-11-and-more

and the computer they use is nothing special. It's a laptop with only 2 Gb RAM, Centrino Duo, and I am sure a slow hard drive.
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So if someone DDOS attacks battlelog, no one will be able to play...
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