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Your psu is waste of money.

For same amount of money I get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139016

For same kind of performance / value I get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371049

You don't need two SSDs ... and pick a better one like the Crucial m4 or the Vertex 3 MAX IOPS.

Get this ASUS P8P67 instead of the more $$ one. Save your self some money it OC as well.

Different psu and 1 SSD... money saved go buy yourself a GTX 580. One GTX 570 probably won't cut it... the demo was showcased using a GTX 580.
1. While I do enjoy the gold rating on the power supplies you recommended (which will certainly save me some money on the next power bill!), would you happen to have factored in the overclocking overhead? The end result later on will include another GTX 570 and I would like to overclock every single thing on the rig (i.e. CPU, RAM, 2xGPU). I did a silly PSU calculator (with 2 GTX 570s) and I came to around 696W. Does that mean if I get a 750W rated at 85% it would be able to support the power? I don't know, I guess I'd like some reassurance that the 750W PSU will do the job (for two cards). I would much rather get everything right the first time so the only thing I have to get is the second GTX 570.

2. Will 1 high-capacity (e.g. 120GB) OCZ Vertex 3 outperform 2 low-capacity (e.g. 60GB) OCZ Agility 3s in RAID 0? My original end result of having SSDs in this build would be to have maximum performance at the cost of long-term reliability. It's a well-known fact that two drives in RAID 0 will outperform two JBODs, but is the increase with SSDs so insignificant that one large SSD will suffice?

3. The ASUS P8P67 PRO was picked solely for SLI potential. I originally decided on the regular until I saw the lack of SLI.

4. I looked at the GTX 580 and came to the conclusion that I think I'll be okay with the GTX 570 based on these numbers:

a. GTX 570: $319.99, 83.2 frames at BFBC2 at BenchmarkReviews
b. (Cheapest) GTX 580: $459.99, 92.0 frames at BFBC2 at same source

Approximate frame difference (in GTX 580's favor): 9FPS
Cost difference: $140
Approximate dollar value per FPS increase: $15.55

It's simply not enough for me to justify an extra $140 to get it. I'm also pretty confident I can OC the GTX 570 to a similar level of performance. Also, other benchmarks show less than a 9FPS improvement, which further increases the cost per FPS increase and saddens me just a bit more because otherwise I would get it.

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I'm actually buying everything off Amazon.com instead of Newegg because I don't have to pay CA tax, which saves me over $100 on the bill alone. That and I have Prime so I have free 2-day shipping for literally everything which sweetens the deal.

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When I get my case I plan to see if there is a clean way I can take the door off and mount a 120mm fan there.

I take it your just raiding the SSD's for lols? I don't know if its changed now but don't you lose trim and any other garbage cleaning if you raid them?

It will defiantly be a beast of a machine!
Yes, SSDs are simply a luxury item for computers in general (at this time) but if I'm already going to take the plunge, I might as well attempt to achieve maximum performance while still maintaining cost-efficiency. TRIM and garbage cleaning is definitely available in RAID in this day and age, however the procedure isn't cut and dry so I would need to research further before attempting this. As far as I know it usually involves updating firmware and possibly drivers, but you have a high chance of getting RAID with TRIM if the SSD already supports TRIM.


Thanks for the comments guys, I truly appreciate your assistance.
Edited by Gearbox - 8/22/11 at 12:46am
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post #22 of 30
Definitely invest more money in the GPU rather than that PSU/case/SSD if you have a budget.

The GPU is what's going to serve you the most if you play games. There's a point where after you have a decent quad core (even a simple i5 760) it's enough to give you a great gaming experience (as long as you invest in a decent graphics card)

There are many many 'gamers' who build video editing rigs.

Enjoy your new build and good luck
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1. While I do enjoy the gold rating on the power supplies you recommended (which will certainly save me some money on the next power bill!), would you happen to have factored in the overclocking overhead? The end result later on will include another GTX 570 and I would like to overclock every single thing on the rig (i.e. CPU, RAM, 2xGPU). I did a silly PSU calculator (with 2 GTX 570s) and I came to around 696W. Does that mean if I get a 750W rated at 85% it would be able to support the power? I don't know, I guess I'd like some reassurance that the 750W PSU will do the job (for two cards). I would much rather get everything right the first time so the only thing I have to get is the second GTX 570.

2. Will 1 high-capacity (e.g. 120GB) OCZ Vertex 3 outperform 2 low-capacity (e.g. 60GB) OCZ Agility 3s in RAID 0? My original end result of having SSDs in this build would be to have maximum performance at the cost of long-term reliability. It's a well-known fact that two drives in RAID 0 will outperform two JBODs, but is the increase with SSDs so insignificant that one large SSD will suffice?

3. The ASUS P8P67 PRO was picked solely for SLI potential. I originally decided on the regular until I saw the lack of SLI.

4. I looked at the GTX 580 and came to the conclusion that I think I'll be okay with the GTX 570 based on these numbers:

a. GTX 570: $319.99, 83.2 frames at BFBC2 at BenchmarkReviews
b. (Cheapest) GTX 580: $459.99, 92.0 frames at BFBC2 at same source

Approximate frame difference (in GTX 580's favor): 9FPS
Cost difference: $140
Approximate dollar value per FPS increase: $15.55

It's simply not enough for me to justify an extra $140 to get it. I'm also pretty confident I can OC the GTX 570 to a similar level of performance. Also, other benchmarks show less than a 9FPS improvement, which further increases the cost per FPS increase and saddens me just a bit more because otherwise I would get it.
1. Even with a 'bronze' rating psu ... 750 watts is more than enough for you to OC. The number you quoted at ~800 watts is at MAX LOAD.... your computer will never hit MAX load unless you are folding or doing some benchmarks. Even if it did hit MAX load ... it won't be more more than a few minutes in a game.

2. Yes sorry I didn't look at the specs for the regular ASUS P8P67 too closely.

3. Raid for SSDs is pretty much useless unless you love to benchmark, print out the benchmark and show off to your friends. In real life application SSD alone is already super fast. I highly doubt you be like 'wow' i got two SSDs in raid that the best ever... one VERTEX 3 MAX IOPS or Crucial M4 is all you need. You put them in raid you be like 'wth' nothing happened or is different to your naked eye.

4. You can't measure video cards like that especially on ONE single game. For example yes its only 9FPS difference for BFBC2 when you are comparing83 vs. 92 FPS nothing matters there because anything over 45 FPS is playable and fine. But what if in future the difference in BFBC3 was the same number ~10 FPS but 30 FPS vs. 40 FPS, that when you wish you had the GTX 580.

Just like for example Crysis 2 ... people weren't able to max out the new Ultra/DX11/Texture pack with the GTX 570, but with the GTX 580 it was do able.
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1.In terms of motherboard I believe this one is better because it supports PCIe 3.0 for future upgrades. This motherboard OC's nicely from what I've read about it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157265

2.I know your'e not to fussed on the PSU but I'm sure that a good 850w PSU will do just fine.
(But I looked at Amazon.com and they don't sell the PSU I'm talking about and since you have to pay tax and all that it will probably equal the same so I don't know really.)

3.The test rigs at E3 were running BF3 on a 580 (AMP! edition I believe it was) at 72 frames per second (Benchmarked in the closed alpha trial.) so a 570 would probably hit 56 I'll say although this was on unoptimised code so it will probably be even better come release date. Also video card drivers for BF3 will be released shortly after which will mean that you will get even more frames so dont worry about the 570 it will run BF3 fine.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

Edited by Invert_Panda - 8/22/11 at 7:49pm
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1.In terms of motherboard I believe this one is better because it supports PCIe 3.0 for future upgrades. This motherboard OC's nicely from what I've read about it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157265

2.I know your'e not to fussed on the PSU but I'm sure that a good 850w PSU will do just fine.
(But I looked at Amazon.com and they don't sell the PSU I'm talking about and since you have to pay tax and all that it will probably equal the same so I don't know really.)

3.The test rigs at E3 were running BF3 on a 580 (AMP! edition I believe it was) at 72 frames per second (Benchmarked in the closed alpha trial.) so a 570 would probably hit 56 I'll say although this was on unoptimised code so it will probably be even better come release date. Also video card drivers for BF3 will be released shortly after which will mean that you will get even more frames so dont worry about the 570 it will run BF3 fine.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
Not to be arguing... but the alpha version means a lot of the 'settings' are turned down... meaning when it actually does come out with all the highest settings/options.... the fps might be different and lower than the 56 fps on the GTX570
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PSU more than enough, go with seasonic x-560
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I'm gonna laugh when amd bulldozer comes out and it's 50% better than i5 2500k
Says the guy with an i5 2500k in his sig.
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Oh and just so you know, the rig that the caspian border gameplay was recorded from had sli gtx 580s. Just a rumour I heard, I dont have a source. But I HIGHLY doubt they had them overclocked, in order too keep them as stable as possible, so im confident Ill be able too run this puppy at full eye candy with overclocked 570 sli

Im running a 750w psu with my 570s in sli if that helps dude. But if you do get a 950w, that means your next build with next generation parts you may not have too upgrade your psu for them.
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Not to be arguing... but the alpha version means a lot of the 'settings' are turned down... meaning when it actually does come out with all the highest settings/options.... the fps might be different and lower than the 56 fps on the GTX570
At E3 the rigs were running full graphics it was the operation metro one not Caspian.
And here's a bench that a website did.
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2 more things. Why deadset on that case? The new corsair 400R is in the sub100 category looks like a gerat successor to the cm690ii advanced.

Also on amazon there is a gtx 570 MSI Twin frozr iii for 314.99....which should outperform the evga
Edited by mylilpony - 8/23/11 at 2:06am
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