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My old rig's WD 400GB Blue drive seems to keep getting more and more fragmented, a week or two ago it was down to 2%, after I defragged it. Yesterday it spiked to 26% after I reinstalled Windows Vista 64 Ultimate, so I defragged it again, but that only got it down to 24%. Today, the disk is 42% fragmented Defraggler is showing 31.6 GB & 548 total fragments out of 372.6 useable GB.

So, is my HDD dying? I ran CrystalDiskInfo several times and apparently the drive is in good health.
 
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Fragmentation usually has nothing to do with physical drive health (the exception being progressive bad sectors).

You just have an inadequate defragmenter.
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Use smart defrag , works great: http://www.iobit.com/nl/iobitsmartdefrag.html
   
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I've defragged use defraggler, Auslogics, & Puran Defrag Pro.
 
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Smart Defrag will run in the background and defrag your hard drive automatically. Which rocks.
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That's pretty awesome, but does it have a light footprint or is it somewhat of a system hog? Also.. if my system is 44 percent fragmented I should probably do a full defrag first & then let Smart Defrag run in the background. My old rig seems a bit slower than when I first had it, any ideas? I've cleaned the registry/unused files using ccleaner, I'm about to defrag the HDD(AGAIN), & there's very very little dust in the case, as I used a big ol' air compressor to completely rid my Antec 900 of dust the other day.
 
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Maybe it's system files getting fragmented? Stuff like System Restore Points? Those are notoriously hard for your OS to move around while they're in use.

That's one reason I install my OS twice on every rig. I can boot the second one to defrag the first.
     
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That's pretty awesome, but does it have a light footprint or is it somewhat of a system hog? Also.. if my system is 44 percent fragmented I should probably do a full defrag first & then let Smart Defrag run in the background. My old rig seems a bit slower than when I first had it, any ideas? I've cleaned the registry/unused files using ccleaner, I'm about to defrag the HDD(AGAIN), & there's very very little dust in the case, as I used a big ol' air compressor to completely rid my Antec 900 of dust the other day.
Smart Defrag has a very small footprint. I don't even notice its loaded and running. Smart Defrag can do a full defrag and optimize your files. Its a really good piece of software thats free.
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Maybe it's system files getting fragmented? Stuff like System Restore Points? Those are notoriously hard for your OS to move around while they're in use.

That's one reason I install my OS twice on every rig. I can boot the second one to defrag the first.
interesting concept
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