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Just back them up first, or do a dump with gpu-z. If it dont flash right flick the switch and your backup and running. Just get the sets written down so you can blind flash the alt bios if something happens.

Do more tests first, BC2 isnt exactly AMD friendly.
It may not be AMD friendly, but that doesn't explain 6950 with more shaders performing worse. I already backed up the BIOS with GPUz, I don't quite understand what you mean by "get the sets written down to blind flash", unless you are referring to backing up both BIOS's
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It may not be AMD friendly, but that doesn't explain 6950 with more shaders performing worse. I already backed up the BIOS with GPUz, I don't quite understand what you mean by "get the sets written down to blind flash", unless you are referring to backing up both BIOS's
I meant steps sorry about that, but still I would run some more tests. There could have been something in the background that caused it. Now if all your tests come up slower then theres obviously an issue.
 
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You know, for a card that cost you $360 after HST I'd be reluctant to start screwing with it especially if it came pre-loaded with a 6970 BIOS you can use.
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I meant steps sorry about that, but still I would run some more tests. There could have been something in the background that caused it. Now if all your tests come up slower then theres obviously an issue.
Steps makes more sense, I'll probably be using ATI Winflash Utility and following the instructions HERE. But of course before I do that I'm going to test it with some other games, going through Left4Dead2 now and will run through Metro2033 soon. Heaven's benchmark seems to make sense though, the stock 6950 is getting 1056 score while the 6970 BIOS is getting 1063, marginal difference, but Kit Guru had the same experience with 3dmark11, out of the box they get P5322 and with the flash they get P5339.

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You know, for a card that cost you $360 after HST I'd be reluctant to start screwing with it especially if it came pre-loaded with a 6970 BIOS you can use.
What good is it if it performs worse than the stock 6950 BIOS?
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Nice card man,just wondering...have you run 3DM11 with your card overclocked yet? if you have what score did you get?
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Increase that fan speed. Also $360 is not cheap. I picked up my HD 6950 Reference for $340 at launch.
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What good is it if it performs worse than the stock 6950 BIOS?
Thats why you need to do more tests. A scripted benchmark is a much better way to measure performance than an unscripted level in a game where there could be a number of reasons for the 3fps drop. Run heaven or another bench and compare them.

Ok looks like its performing better in heaven which it should. A level in a game is bad for comparing small differences in scores because things can very much more than a benchmark.
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Nice card man,just wondering...have you run 3DM11 with your card overclocked yet? if you have what score did you get?
6970 Flash (shaders unlocked) 880/1375 I got P5287, default settings. It's all in the first post.

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Thats why you need to do more tests. A scripted benchmark is a much better way to measure performance than an unscripted level in a game where there could be a number of reasons for the 3fps drop. Run heaven or another bench and compare them.
I know, but I ran through bad company 2 about 3 times each and same result, and benchmarks are making sense, but what good are benchmarks at the end of the day?

EDIT: Left4dead2 is coming up with same results, getting 203-209 FPS with the 6970 BIOS vs 205-211 FPS with the 6950 BIOS.. this is so odd..
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Yeah thats not overclocked though is it? 880 core is stock for that card right?
What did you get when you overclocked it was what i meant to ask.

Im on hunt for some new cards soon......
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBunnies View Post
What good is it if it performs worse than the stock 6950 BIOS?
Did you ever adjust or disable powertune?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nagle3092 View Post
I got mine coming in on Tuesday but reviews say that the layout is exactly the same as a reference 6950/6970.
They aren't the same.

It's similar enough to be compatible with the same coolers, but there are still distinct differences. The do not use same monitoring/control IC and may not or have compatible power tune implementations.

Original reference:






Sapphire Toxic:





Edited by Blameless - 8/21/11 at 6:49pm
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