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post #11 of 19
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If I have to work that much to make it good, it wasn't good enough to begin with, if that makes sense.
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That being said it's a bad habit to get into doctoring all your shots.
Man, I guess Ansel Adams probably could have saved a lot of time with those methods.

Unless you shoot JPG with a gray card and well-tuned in-camera settings, every image will need some adjustment. That's why RAW exists -- because it allows you to manipulate the image in the same manner that you would in the darkroom with film. Good photographs come out of the camera, great photographs come out of the darkroom.
post #12 of 19
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Man, I guess Ansel Adams probably could have saved a lot of time with those methods.

Unless you shoot JPG with a gray card and well-tuned in-camera settings, every image will need some adjustment. That's why RAW exists -- because it allows you to manipulate the image in the same manner that you would in the darkroom with film. Good photographs come out of the camera, great photographs come out of the darkroom.
I understand your point, and agree to a certain extent. Ansel Adams was an artist in the darkroom, but if he hadn't had a good eye, good equipment, and the knowledge to use the two together in capturing his photographs, we probably wouldn't know his name.

What I was trying to say is that it doesn't matter how good you are at PP, if the exposure is too far off, the image is too soft, or the subject matter isn't good, then I wouldn't waste the time trying to make it acceptable.

Just 2c from an old-school dude...

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post #13 of 19
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Ansel Adams was an artist in the darkroom, but if he hadn't had a good eye, good equipment, and the knowledge to use the two together in capturing his photographs, we probably wouldn't know his name.
Hence,
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Good photographs come out of the camera, great photographs come out of the darkroom.
Software is no replacement for skill, I agree with you -- but processing is still a huge part of finalizing a photo.

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What I was trying to say is that it doesn't matter how good you are at PP, if the exposure is too far off, the image is too soft, or the subject matter isn't good, then I wouldn't waste the time trying to make it acceptable.
Well, I would say the debate about processing only exists if you have a good starting point.
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Hence,


Software is no replacement for skill, I agree with you -- but processing is still a huge part of finalizing a photo.



Well, I would say the debate about processing only exists if you have a good starting point.
Okay, if we're going to keep more or less agreeing with each other, it's going to be tough to develop an argument.

Seeing your equipment list, it looks like we're peas from the same pod anyways...

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post #15 of 19
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Okay, if we're going to keep more or less agreeing with each other, it's going to be tough to develop an argument.
Haha, I'm not in it for the argument, I just think the perception of digital PP is so skewed by egregious photoshopping on terrible photos that people tend to view it as an evil, instead of a necessity.
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Haha, I'm not in it for the argument, I just think the perception of digital PP is so skewed by egregious photoshopping on terrible photos that people tend to view it as an evil, instead of a necessity.
That's very true. I guess what really bothers me is when folks assume you have digitally changed an image just because it's good, or beyond their own personal capabilities. For example, I posted a picture in a thread here, and one fellow kept insisting that he "could see" where it had been 'shopped, when in fact it wasn't.

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post #17 of 19
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yea i just got lightroom and i really made my pictures pop out. Now i feel like i can not leave not 1 photo unedited.
 
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post #18 of 19
Absolutely. I shoot in raw and usually end up adjusting at least the white balance and/or exposure. Sometimes minor colour and lens corrections.
post #19 of 19
I do as much editing as I find necessary. So some photos are hardly touched while others have an insane amount of editing.

Same when working in the darkroom, some are basically just like the contact while others have an insane amount of work put into them.
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