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Ok so I'm sure there are similar threads out there but as a rookie to water cooling I could really use some advise. I recently just built a new rig in a SilverStone FT02 and I love it however for water cooling theres a lack of space. I'll have a TJ07 case tomorrow and will begin my first w/c build off this platform. I'm looking to create something very clean yet efficient.

Anyways here's the list so far:

EK Multioption Res X2 250mm Reservoir (x1)
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/re...250-basic.html

EK GTX580 Full Water Block (x2)
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/bl...al-nickel.html

EK GTX580 Black Plate (x2)
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/ek...ate-black.html

EK Supreme HF CPU Block (x1)
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/bl...al-nickel.html

EK Coolstream RAD XT 480 (x1)
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/ek...ad-xt-480.html

EK DCP 4.0 Pump
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/pu...v-dc-pump.html

Feser Black Tubing (x1)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/86...?tl=g30c99s172

Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15s (x4)
http://www.dangerden.com/store/gentl...rpm-ap-15.html

I think thats about all I have outlined at the moment.

Fittings
I'm trying to decide what fittings I'll use, either EK or Bitspower. It seems that everyone raves about the Bitspower but after doing some research it seems that the EK ones are of better quality.

Pumps
At this moment I'm torn between the MCP355 or the DP 4.0. The reason I prefer the DCP 4.0 is because it performs better than a stock MCP355 and doesn't require additional parts for fittings. With the MCP355 I would have to buy the pump and a top to get it to work with my fittings, Pushing the price way beyond that of the DCP 4.0

Any suggestions welcomed. Thanks in advance!
Edited by TechSoldier - 8/21/11 at 10:57pm
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If you insist on EK blocks, make sure they are the +EN model. The former Nickel blocks are known to corrode when not using anti-corrosives.

I don't see a reference 580/570 +EN block on their site, but here is the CPU block.
 
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Well I already have a one of the GTX580 blocks that I picked up used but is in great condition. Is there a problem running anti-corrosives?
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Some people will complain saying it's not pure Distilled and "WILL" gunk up your blocks. There is no proof that the fluid is causing those gunk issues. Addatives or pre-mix coolant will also negatively affect your water temps slightly which in turn will affect the CPU and GPU temps, though it will only be a degree or two difference.
 
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Well I already have a one of the GTX580 blocks that I picked up used but is in great condition. Is there a problem running anti-corrosives?
You don't need anti-corrosives if you don't run mixed metals. You shouldn't be running mixed metals.

**Btw the ek nickel issue won't be prevented by running corrosion inhibitors because the copper and nickel plating are physically touching and exposed to the water. It means that no matter what chemicals you put in there, it will go thru bi-metal corrosion.
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Ok well as you can see on my list everything listed is Acetal+Nickel for the blocks so that should be ok then right?

The only thing I'm thinking is won't there always be some corrosion since the pump, blocks, radiator, etc aren't all going to be Nickel? If that's true then what is the point in purchasing all Nickel blocks?
Edited by TechSoldier - 8/22/11 at 10:41am
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Ok well as you can see on my list everything listed is Acetal+Nickel for the blocks so that should be ok then right?

The only thing I'm thinking is won't there always be some corrosion since the pump, blocks, radiator, etc aren't all going to be Nickel? If that's true then what is the point in purchasing all Nickel blocks?
Nickel doesn't cause corrosion with copper, unless it's directly touching the copper.

You're not understanding the issue. Normally there's no problem with nickel because it makes a perfect seal, ie. in the plating. However, ek's nickel is porous due to their craptastic machining, which leaves holes in the nickel. This very fact implies that the copper is exposed to the water. These 3 things are all supplied to create bi-metal/galvanic corrosion... water, two differing metals, and the circuit is created because they are all touching each other directly.

Ek's porous nickel creates this situation. This is why butcher was telling you to get the EN plated block which addresses the issue... or more correctly the flaw.
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I would not take a chance with EK nickel blocks until we have proven data that proves the plating issue has been resolved. Just my 2 cents.
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Got it. I was unaware that EK's Nickel plating was the issue. I've heard some talk about issues arising however I was lead to understand this was fixed, which could be true with their EN verions? In any case, what other blocks would you recommend for 2 GTX580s and an i7?
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Got it. I was unaware that EK's Nickel plating was the issue. I've heard some talk about issues arising however I was lead to understand this was fixed, which could be true with their EN verions? In any case, what other blocks would you recommend for 2 GTX580s and an i7?
I had to RMA 5 blocks and I went with Aqua because I have used their gear for 10 years without any issues. Their EN versions may have solved the issue, but my blocks had very poor milling, so I will be suspect until the blocks have been fully tested.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqcoaqforgtx1.html


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