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Back on topic though, I never saw the point of multi-card setups anyway: if one isn't good enough to run a certain game at wanted settings, wait for next card that IS; that's always been my rule.
Not everyone has deep pockets to buy a new graphics card every year. Like me, ive had my first 6870 for a year, and just brought another last week, its given me performance equal to some of the top end cards for a fraction of the price. Even if i sold the first 6870 and used that $ in conjunction with what i spent on the second, id still be know where near performance of what i have now.. Just saying
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Cant say ive experienced it yet (and heres hoping i dont) but ive only had it setup for a week. I get random flicking textures though, and occasional black screen issue, but i can put up with it because its only happened a couple of times.
Depends if you play with vsync on or off. If vsync is on you probably won't notice it. Just remember what has been seen cannot be unseen.
    
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Here's my biggest problem with toms article. They only covered one game. I'd like to see Min, max, and median FPS rates in a ton of games to truly determine if microstutter is as bad as people make it seem to be. Also, by nature ever card gets "microstutter" in xfire or sli it's just more pronounced potentially.
You completely miss the point. When you play a game are you sitting there averaging frame rates? No. The point is that with these set ups the micro stutter is pronounced such that it is an issue. It is noticeable to most anyone and is a deterring factor in the overall enjoyability and playability of a given game. So by stating that every card has some degree of micro stutter and that it is only most noticeable in SLI/CFX really only substantiates the origonal point. And this was a subjective article. It never took an opinionated stance other than the opinion that micro stutter, when noticeable, is a deterrent to game enjoyability.

What you need to do is go play your games with FRAPS turned off and try to analyze how it "feels" at 20 FPS, 40, 60, etc. You may as well say that "by their nature graphics cards experience fluxuations in thier frame rate from second to second" but you don't address any part of how that effects the user.

Stop trying to be so critical. This is a good article and a great deal of effort was put forth to provide as much readable data as possible, for all types of users from the number crunching evaluators to the "feel"ers.
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Riiight. Either you only play a handful of games that support SLI/run at over 60FPS with one card anyway, or you're just lying; I've had stuttering on my single GTX 460 when GPU usage dropped, as if I'd want to double the amount of problems with my current cards by getting another.

Back on topic though, I never saw the point of multi-card setups anyway: if one isn't good enough to run a certain game at wanted settings, wait for next card that IS; that's always been my rule.
>>Because if it's different from whats happened to you, its fake.

His CPU is faster than yours, maybe that could contribute to microstutter as its waiting for the CPU to do its stuff?
    
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You completely miss the point. When you play a game are you sitting there averaging frame rates? No. The point is that with these set ups the micro stutter is pronounced such that it is an issue. It is noticeable to most anyone and is a deterring factor in the overall enjoyability and playability of a given game. So by stating that every card has some degree of micro stutter and that it is only most noticeable in SLI/CFX really only substantiates the origonal point. And this was a subjective article. It never took an opinionated stance other than the opinion that micro stutter, when noticeable, is a deterrent to game enjoyability.

What you need to do is go play your games with FRAPS turned off and try to analyze how it "feels" at 20 FPS, 40, 60, etc. You may as well say that "by their nature graphics cards experience fluxuations in thier frame rate from second to second" but you don't address any part of how that effects the user.

Stop trying to be so critical. This is a good article and a great deal of effort was put forth to provide as much readable data as possible, for all types of users from the number crunching evaluators to the "feel"ers.
I think there is bias in the game they chose, henced I want to see atleast 3 - 4 games tested. I don't call that being critical, I call that being curious for real results. We know certains games can skew results . In one game a Nvidia card might run better, but on average it might run worse in most games.
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>>Because if it's different from whats happened to you, its fake.

His CPU is faster than yours, maybe that could contribute to microstutter as its waiting for the CPU to do its stuff?
No. Because there are hundreds if not thousands of "GTX 460 stuttering" threads among others, and I happened to be one of the people who posted/reported the problems; go google it yourself before you jump to any guess-work conclusions. It has nothing to do with the CPU when the drivers for the card have been getting worse with every update after 260.99...Worse than that, the card itself had DPC latency issues and conflicts with some socket 775 motherboards; you can go and google this too if you want, like I said, the issues are with the card/drivers and nothing else.

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Not everyone has deep pockets to buy a new graphics card every year. Like me, ive had my first 6870 for a year, and just brought another last week, its given me performance equal to some of the top end cards for a fraction of the price. Even if i sold the first 6870 and used that $ in conjunction with what i spent on the second, id still be know where near performance of what i have now.. Just saying
You misread my post...what I mean is, you buy a card once in a few years that covers maxing out a number of games you want. For example, I have a GTX 460 now to last me till I find a card good enough to max the games I want in the future (which should run Metro/Crysis 1/2 etc @ 60FPS maxed out, as that's my requirement before upgrading). It's a lot cheaper than swapping cards with every new series of GPUs.
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No. Because there are hundreds if not thousands of "GTX 460 stuttering" threads among others, and I happened to be one of the people who posted/reported the problems; go google it yourself before you jump to any guess-work conclusions. It has nothing to do with the CPU when the drivers for the card have been getting worse with every update after 260.99...Worse than that, the card itself had DPC latency issues and conflicts with some socket 775 motherboards; you can go and google this too if you want, like I said, the issues are with the card/drivers and nothing else.
I can find plenty of people who use the stock Windows ethernet drivers and an ASUS Xonar DX without any DPC latency issues at all, whereas me and quite a few others did get massive (Read: over 12000) latency issues, not every issue happens to everyone, sometimes its the individuals set up/bad luck that causes it.
    
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I can find plenty of people who use the stock Windows ethernet drivers and an ASUS Xonar DX without any DPC latency issues at all, whereas me and quite a few others did get massive (Read: over 12000) latency issues, not every issue happens to everyone, sometimes its the individuals set up/bad luck that causes it.
Well I tested it on 4 different rigs at least all from different eras, including an i7 920 build I used to have at work; enough for me to assume it's a problem with the card/drivers. My friend had the 1GB GTX 460 that did the same thing on his i5 rig, but he has a lot less patience with issues like this, so he returned it a week after he got it. I somewhat envy him now, wish I did the same with my Cyclone...my old GTS 250 G92 card did and still does better in old games than the GTX 460, and that was a given from day one that I found out that it has a "low-power 3D mode" (known to stir crap up for some old games I have that are very clockrate dependent).
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agreed, don't really believe in this article. since SLI 460 is almost close to 580 and vendors want consumers to pay more and go for the 580. Propaganda = profits.
Nonsense, microstuttering exists (It was freely admitted both AMD and Nvidia reps, read here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/21516/1). I had a GTX 590 for several days and while it ran games much much faster than my 280 I noticed annoying microstuttering throughout several games and benches.

Modern Warfare 2 was running in the hundreds of frames per second and I noticed annoying microstuttering that messed with the game's experience. Every 3-4 seconds there was a brief stutter, it was unbearable and it was something that my 280 would never do.

Metro was running in the high 30's according to FRAPS but it felt like it was in high teens and low 20's, it was horrible.

Heaven benchmark had horrible microstuttering (pause, start, pause, start, pause, start) throughout the whole benchmark. It was very similar, exact almost to how this looks:





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I never saw the point of multi-card setups anyway: if one isn't good enough to run a certain game at wanted settings, wait for next card that IS; that's always been my rule.
I hate the effects of microstuttering and I'm seriously considering to only go single-gpu from now on, but multi-gpus are very useful (aside from any perceived microstuttering). Why not gain 50-90% improvement in speed considering that the next gen. card is usually much more pricey and usually yields 15-25% in speed improvements?
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I just found this thread. Now I'm gonna have to study it. I had 2 Galaxy 470's in SLi and the images gave me quite a headache. I had to remove one of the cards and go back to a single solution. They were not in my sig rig, but this one http://www.overclock.net/specs.php?d...system&i=51893. They gave Fallout 3 a stroboscopic look that really hurt me to look at.
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