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But in the end, Nuclear Warheads still have a far greater devastating effect.
This material is not a replacement for nuclear warheads. It's a more powerful conventional explosive, something that could be used with regularity.

If the claims of it's effectiveness turn out to be true, this could prompt a revolution in warfare as current armor is rendered almost completely infective. It might even be the end of passively armored combat vehicles as we know them.

Anyway, I'm not sure of the utility this material would have in anti-ballistic missile systems. It seems that it will only work on a hit, and most any hit on a ballistic missile or warhead will disable or destroy it; they aren't armored.
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This material is not a replacement for nuclear warheads. It's a more powerful conventional explosive, something that could be used with regularity.

If the claims of it's effectiveness turn out to be true, this could prompt a revolution in warfare as current armor is rendered almost completely infective. It might even be the end of passively armored combat vehicles as we know them.

Anyway, I'm not sure of the utility this material would have in anti-ballistic missile systems. It seems that it will only work on a hit, and most any hit on a ballistic missile or warhead will disable or destroy it; they aren't armored.
re-engineering high explosives isn't new stuff. This itself isn't new. This may get somewhere as in something like JDAM or similar.
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re-engineering high explosives isn't new stuff. This itself isn't new. This may get somewhere as in something like JDAM or similar.
A high explosive that is potentially five times the effectiveness of what has been used for 50+ years is a huge deal.

There hasn't been that kind of an improvement since the invention of high-explosives in the 19th century.

This could be a complete paradigm shift, and would likely be used in everything from larger caliber small arms (anti-materiel rifles), to autocannons, main guns on tanks, naval guns, as well as rockets and bombs of all sizes; again if the material lives up to stated potential.
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A high explosive that is potentially five times the effectiveness of what has been used for 50+ years is a huge deal.

There hasn't been that kind of an improvement since the invention of high-explosives in the 19th century.

This could be a complete paradigm shift, and would likely be used in everything from larger caliber small arms, to autocannons, main guns on tanks, naval guns, as well as rockets and bombs of all sizes, again if the material lives up to stated potential.
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The vacuum device yields the equivalent of 44 tons of TNT using 7.8 tons of a new type of high explosive. Because of this, the bomb has the same destructive power as a small tactical nuclear weapon.
Thats about 5x the amount.
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I suppose Moore's Law also applies to explosives, then.
Excellent!

In all seriousness though, does killing really need to get any easier and more efficient than we've already made it?
 
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I suppose Moore's Law also applies to explosives, then.
Excellent!

In all seriousness though, does killing really need to get any easier and more efficient than we've already made it?
Ways of killing and the devices to destroy these killing machines, will forever be advancing. Because in the end, that is what we do best.
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I'm well aware of thermobaric explosives.

This is different, and would have a vastly wider application. Thermobarics are intrinsically limited by the same factors that make them so powerful. They cannot be used outside of fairly large rounds, and are of little threat to armor, outside of their largest incarnations.

This new material could replace most rounds.
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So let me get this straight....

The already over powered weapons of mass financial destruction and the usual weapons of mass destruction are EVEN more powerful? thus increasing the number of "Kills"

WHAT THE FOOK IS GOING ON! cant we make weapons of mass unison, weapons of mass collaboration for the good of all humanity?

If Moors law applies to weapons we're ****ed by 2012 then ....?
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Sounds like they are going to be cleaning their weapons a whole lot more often now!
This is the explosives, not the propellent like gunpowder. Modern propellant just burns fast, and doesn't explode like old black powder.

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You forget the motto of the US government (well, at least pre debt crisis):

"Why build one when you can build one for twice the price?"
Fixed it for you!

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This was possibly the talk about the MOB and the Russian FOB. But in the end, Nuclear Warheads still have a far greater devastating effect.
You could go big... but it is much more likely and useful that instead of building a 5x more powerful 2,000lb bomb, you could build a much smaller 200lb or 500lb bomb that has more power then the 1000lb or 2000lb bomb. It is actually would be cheaper to build a newer 100lb bomb that is 3-4 times more expensive as a regular 100lb bomb, if it is 5x more powerful. Assuming all things being equal of course; though that doesn't factor in the cheaper rocket motor, or less fuel consumed that could be found.
    
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I'm well aware of thermobaric explosives.

This is different, and would have a vastly wider application. Thermobarics are intrinsically limited by the same factors that make them so powerful. They cannot be used outside of fairly large rounds, and are of little threat to armor, outside of their largest incarnations.

This new material could replace most rounds.
Thermobaric or not. It is high explosives. If they can condense what a 44T TNT can do, with 7.5 or so, then that is a real improvement. And that can be applied to even smaller warheads. New generation of heat rounds maybe

But applying new compounds for explosives. Be it high explosives or not, isn't new.

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You could go big... but it is much more likely and useful that instead of building a 5x more powerful 2,000lb bomb, you could build a much smaller 200lb or 500lb bomb that has more power then the 1000lb or 2000lb bomb. It is actually would be cheaper to build a newer 100lb bomb that is 3-4 times more expensive as a regular 100lb bomb, if it is 5x more powerful. Assuming all things being equal of course; though that doesn't factor in the cheaper rocket motor, or less fuel consumed that could be found.
I doubt it would be much cheaper. But if the bomb is smaller/lighter, and the missile itself is same size, then you can, theoretically, increase distance/speed of the weapon. In this case, then it works great. But like new marvellous ideas, like the Rail Gun and Airborn laser, it will prob get canned.
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