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Originally Posted by Mr.MidЯange;14673771 
Thermobaric or not. It is high explosives. If they can condense what a 44T TNT can do, with 7.5 or so, then that is a real improvement. And that can be applied to even smaller warheads. New generation of heat rounds maybe tongue.gif

They have thermobaric warheads for RPGs, grenade launchers, and a variety of smaller rockets/missiles. They are used against people and structures, but aren't particularly effective against armor, and would make poor anti-tank rounds.

Having to aerosolize the explosive is a serious limiting factor on the suitable applications for thermobaric weapons.
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But applying new compounds for explosives. Be it high explosives or not, isn't new.

Overly broad statement. Of course progress isn't new.

The implications of the material discussed in this article are great, and may turn out to be revolutionary, not just because of the power of the explosive, but be cause it's in a more conventional form, and has vastly more applications than anything of comparable power.
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Originally Posted by Mr.MidЯange;14673771 
I doubt it would be much cheaper. But if the bomb is smaller/lighter, and the missile itself is same size, then you can, theoretically, increase distance/speed of the weapon. In this case, then it works great. But like new marvellous ideas, like the Rail Gun and Airborn laser, it will prob get canned.

Railguns haven't been canned, and solid state lasers just need to evolve a bit.

I have no idea where this explosive will go, but it should be much closer to a drop in replacement for current rounds, it should not face the same difficulties, assuming it works.
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Originally Posted by ChosenLord;14673726 
So let me get this straight....

The already over powered weapons of mass financial destruction and the usual weapons of mass destruction are EVEN more powerful? thus increasing the number of "Kills"

WHAT THE FOOK IS GOING ON! cant we make weapons of mass unison, weapons of mass collaboration for the good of all humanity?

If Moors law applies to weapons we're ****ed by 2012 then ....?

We could do that, but they saw your avatar and said "Wow, that guy must have survived an explosion! We need need to be more human and make things blow up even harder so these people don't survive as horribly massacred creatures." So you see, it was for the good of mankind.
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They have thermobaric warheads for RPGs, grenade launchers, and a variety of smaller rockets/missiles. They are used against people and structures, but aren't particularly effective against armor, and would make poor anti-tank rounds.

Then why is the TOS using Thermobaric warheads? Especially against hardened targets?
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Having to aerosolize the explosive is a serious limiting factor on the suitable applications for thermobaric weapons.

That is true. No doubt about that
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The implications of the material discussed in this article are great, and may turn out to be revolutionary, not just because of the power of the explosive, but be cause it's in a more conventional form, and has vastly more applications than anything of comparable power.

And then someone else will come up with something even bigger and better per say. This goes back to the whole "My Weiner is bigger than yours".
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Railguns haven't been canned, and solid state lasers just need to evolve a bit.

I have no idea where this explosive will go, but it should be much closer to a drop in replacement for current rounds, it should not face the same difficulties, assuming it works.

USN Free Electron Laser and Railgun - Cancelled

I bet you have people like Raytheon to thank for that. While in all, the Russian A-60 program is still alive.
Edited by Mr.Mid??ange - 8/22/11 at 8:53am
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Needs more lasers.

Hell yeah
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Now if we would only use them instead of sending in ground troops......
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Originally Posted by Mr.MidЯange;14674025 
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USN Free Electron Laser and Railgun - Cancelled

I bet you have people like Raytheon to thank for that. While in all, the Russian A-60 program is still alive.

lol Way to link the forum instead of the article. The programs aren't dead. A senate committee just approved a version of the bill that doesn't include those two programs for voting on. They just took the first of many steps required towards killing the programs.
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The military has been playing with this for a while. They had it in the ammo of the M109 25mm rifle. It didn't work all that great. They tried to make an "HE" round for it, but it didn't do much unless you were shooting at soft targets...and if I was shooting at soft targets there was better, cheaper, and more relible ammo I could use instead.


Or I should say it sounds extremely similar to a lot of the training i went through when learning the M-109. i was just the grunt that had to carry the crud all over and blow stuff up with it.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 8/22/11 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Kirmie;14674207 
lol Way to link the forum instead of the article. The programs aren't dead. A senate committee just approved a version of the bill that doesn't include those two programs for voting on. They just took the first of many steps required towards killing the programs.

Sorry. I did it specifically that the comments listed are a good read.
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Then why is the TOS using Thermobaric warheads? Especially against hardened targets?

Because if you can get the warhead inside something before it detonates, thermobarics are great.

The problem with smaller thermobaric devices is that they can't be made with the mass or cross section to penetrate heavy armor/hardened targets while still retaining enough internal volume to do what they need to do. This isn't an issue with a large bomb that has vastly more volume relative to it's crossection.

This new stuff is supposed to be as dense as steel, so hypothetically the whole round could be made of it (except maybe a jacket and tip), retain decent penetration, and have a much greater mass of explosive delivered to the target at the same time.

Then again, if Vagrant Storm's experience really was with this stuff, and not something else, it may have penetration issues of it's own. Steel is dense, but it's not as good as lead, tungsten, or depleted uranium.
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Originally Posted by Blameless;14674944 
Because if you can get the warhead inside something before it detonates, thermobarics are great.

The problem with smaller thermobaric devices is that they can't be made with the mass or cross section to penetrate heavy armor/hardened targets while still retaining enough internal volume to do what they need to do. This isn't an issue with a large bomb that has vastly more volume relative to it's crossection.

This new stuff is supposed to be as dense as steel, so hypothetically the whole round could be made of it (except maybe a jacket and tip), retain decent penetration, and have a much greater mass of explosive delivered to the target at the same time.

Then again, if Vagrant Storm's experience really was with this stuff, and not something else, it may have penetration issues of it's own. Steel is dense, but it's not as good as lead, tungsten, or depleted uranium.

Thank you. Good read.
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