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Ok,first I would like to say very nice post.Not often we get to help someone who has done their homework like you have done.

As for your build-my first question is this
What modeling programs do you use?This is very important.An AMD/ATi GPU may well be your best option,or not.Same goes for the CPU.
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My personal opinion:

Get a cheaper case.
Skip the 1366 socket and get a 1155 socket motherboars and 2600k. The power of this cpu is amazing and you will be more than happy wirh it.
You save some cash on the case and cpu so now you can a beter gpu. Get something like a GTX 590 or HD 6990 to support the multi screen setup.
Single 360 rad with some good fans will cool the system very nicely.
Any of the cases I like are within the same price range. I've done a lot of searching, but it seems like once you get a case and finish any mods like adding a window (most of the cases I like that are cheaper, dont have a window, but I want one). I could definitely save about $200.00 if I wasnt hung up on a certain look and when its all said and done, I may have to compromise in that area.

As far as the CPU, lets say I dropped from a six to a quad core, two questions: 1) will there be noticeable difference between 8mb and 12mb cache? 2) Any reason you like the 1155 vs 1366? It seems like the non extreme 1366 models are around the same price as comparative 1155, or am I overlooking some specs I should be paying attention too.

The reason I ask about the chipsets is that one of the reasons I went with the 1366 was that the mobo's are built to accommodate more models of RAM at more speeds that are either very new to the market. All other things being equal, thats one of the pluses of 1366 mobo. I'll have to look closer, but I didnt notice a huge difference in motherboard prices between the two chipsets.

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Ok,first I would like to say very nice post.Not often we get to help someone who has done their homework like you have done.

As for your build-my first question is this
What modeling programs do you use?This is very important.An AMD/ATi GPU may well be your best option,or not.Same goes for the CPU.
Thanks for the kind words. As far as programs I use a bunch. Oracle Primavera suite for sensitivity analysis, Excel Solver (which seems very inefficient), neuro dimensions, palisades, Discipulus, and a few other no name programs used by various agencies or academics.

There are two camps of software, those I run and those I want to run, but cant due to hardware limitations. Most of the stuff I cant run is purely for research and academic through my graduate program. I am concentrating on genetic algorithms of networks in sensitivity analysis. Learning based algorithms require a ton of iterations to be accurate, from the 50 - 99% confidence range, they really arent that horrible at say 10,000 iterations. At 99%+ at say 6 or 10 sigma levels though its millions of iterations in total (X number of iterations per Y number of nodes) that I cant run them now in most programs.

As far as the GA programs, many are use once and throw away because they dont do what I need. So far, I havent been able to evaluate to many, but the bulk were created initially for the biomedical or molecular field and adapt well for our needs.

So, nothing like advanced autocad designs, but for complex simulations, without 3D its really hard to allow someone unfamiliar with the model visualize the results without confusion. Thats really where the only graphic issues I have are, as far as research or academic programs. The models look pretty similar to calculus models in 3D, although I am nowhere near a mathematician by any means. I suck at math to be honest lol.

Since I do a lot of research and have free access to a lot of software, I plan on continuing to use the latest and greatest that I can both get my hands on and use.

Outside of productivity software, my system has a lot of trouble transcoding 1080p video as a video server or smoothly playing a large 1080p file. At above 20GB, I cant do anything other than play a file and it cannot transcode without skipping. At 720p, its fine. As far as music, I built a few virtual spectrum anaylizers for a few programs and they do tend to lag if Im doing any multiscreen activity. Again, Im using an onboard stock graphics card for a mid range HP right now.

Does that help?
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Holy cow!
That took a few minutes to absorb,lol.Very informative.Have you considered a professional graphics card?
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I would say the mountain mod is a bit big for the stuff you are gonna fit in it, but if you must have the styling then caselabs are better quality case than the mountain mod.

If you are doing transcoding i would say a z68 with sandy bridge will definitely speed that up as the igpu is faster than even dedicated gpu transcoding. Not sure if you are going multi screen since i cant find what are your monitor choice? remember single gpu nvidia dont do 3 screen setup you would have to get sli, the gtx590 or go with ati solution if single card is important to you.
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I would go with a sandy bridge 2600k. These chips can be easily over clocked to 4.7 sometimes 5 if you get a good one. Quick sync is good for your video converting and with a z68 motherboard you can have enough video hook ups to do 3 monitors. Nvidia and ati limit you to 2 video outputs unless you use display port for one of your monitors.

I wouldn't worry too much About vetting the maximum speed out of your ram either. It's been proven many times that most tasks don't benefit nearly as much in time as the increase in speed.

Also worth considering if you want the 990x for future proofing the amount of cash you save switching to a 2600k (which will give you the same or better performance in all but the highest multithreaded tasks) could buy you a new mobo, CPU and ram next year that would out perform either system.
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Holy cow!
That took a few minutes to absorb,lol.Very informative.Have you considered a professional graphics card?
It just sounds complicated when I type it out. Its pretty intuitive, proving it is just is a *****.

The only "professional" cards Ive seen are in the thousands and my budget is in the hundreds. But, I am definitely still new to this generation of cards. Hell, I didnt even know much about the ATI cards I used 10 years ago.

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I would say the mountain mod is a bit big for the stuff you are gonna fit in it, but if you must have the styling then caselabs are better quality case than the mountain mod.

If you are doing transcoding i would say a z68 with sandy bridge will definitely speed that up as the igpu is faster than even dedicated gpu transcoding. Not sure if you are going multi screen since i cant find what are your monitor choice? remember single gpu nvidia dont do 3 screen setup you would have to get sli, the gtx590 or go with ati solution if single card is important to you.
Well I was just looking at different cards and a big expense is not just the card, but the gpu block as well. I figure even dual cheap cards will run me 130 each, plus another 100.00 each for separate blocks. So that is around $450. If I can get a video card (and Im not tied to a brand, it just seemed like NVIDIA chipset is what everyone is buying) for cheaper that will do what I need, that will be great.

As far as monitors, nothing fancy compared to most of you.
Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" - this will be on a kvm and switch between another computer and ideally as a third monitor when more desktop space is required.
LG 32LF11 32" - Primary work monitor on the new build
Sharp AQUOS 40" LC-40LE820UN - Primary fun monitor / secondary work monitor.

I generally have a 1080p movie playing at all times in the background while working, modeling, and anything else that doesnt require deep thought. The 32" is almost always in use too. The 26" will be maybe 30% of the time.

A lot of my decision will also come down to the whole "Will the onboard audio cut it" question. Is there anywhere I can find audio specs on the various cards? I cant find much on tiger direct and Id like to compare at different companies and price points to see if audio improves or stays the same.
    
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Ok. After doing a bunch of reading and looking at the majority of replies here it seems like an OC 2600k is the way to go and then perhaps in a year upgrade the cpu and mobo. If I go that route, Id want a good mobo, but not something Im spending almost 300.00 on. If I went this route, Id get the external PCI audio card, get the 2600k and get a mobo that could support SLI / crossfire, USB 3.0 and decent speed ram for the best price. I obviously wouldnt care about the chipset used for sound. 268 mobos areall all over the board as far as price, from under 200 to 400 and the specs look pretty similar for what I would use.

This would allow me to save money, possibly allow for another GPU if needed, and I could get the PCI audio card, which beats the onboard chipset by a long way.

Any reason why the 2600k would be far surpassed by the 990x in multitasking or intensive program utilization? So far I havent read any articles stating this, other than in a completely theoretical sense.
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No,you wouldn't really notice much difference between the two to be honest.2600K is a better bargain for sure.As for 1155 boards,something like this will fullfill all you current and future needs.
ASrock Z68 Extreme3 for $129
or
ASRock Z68 Extreme4 for $189
w/PCIE 3.0 and more lanes.
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No,you wouldn't really notice much difference between the two to be honest.2600K is a better bargain for sure.As for 1155 boards,something like this will fullfill all you current and future needs.
ASrock Z68 Extreme3 for $129
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ASRock Z68 Extreme4 for $189
w/PCIE 3.0 and more lanes.
Thanks. I have what may be a dumb question on the board. If the board has HDMI, can I run one monitor on the onboard HDMI and the other two on the GPU. Im pretty sure I had done this in the past. If this is possible, is there a reason I shouldnt do this if I can limit one of the monitors to non intensive applications?
    
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I updated the specs to reflect the 2600k cpu, an asus z68 mobo, and a gpu using the ATI chipset that supposedly can handle 3 monitors. This saves me quite a bit of money, even if I do have to get a second card.

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XSPC Raystorm CPU Block XSPC RX360 Rev 2 Xigmatek CLF-F1255 x 14 T-Balancer BigNG, flow meter, 3 x H20 Temp, & 4... 
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2 x Custom Danger Den RAD Reservoirs Primochill Pro LRT tubing - White Windows 7 Pro x64 Sharp Aquos Quattron LC-40LE820UN 40" 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
ViewSonic LED 24" LG 32LF11 32" HP L1950 19" Logitech Wireless K800 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
OCZ Z Series 1000W Modular 80+ Gold Danger Den Double Wide 21 Series Nightmare SR2 Logitech Wireless K400 Onkyo TX-NR709 
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JBL L-890 Front L/R JBL LC2 Center JBL L-820 Side & Rear L/R (7.1 setup) Polk PS505 Sub 
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Emotiva XPA-3 Power Amp 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3930K X79 Extreme9 MSI Frozr II Radeon HD 6950 2GB 32GB (4GB x 8) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 PC31... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2 x Corsair Force GT SATA 3 120GB 6 x Western Digital WD20EARX 2TB SATA III LG BD Burner WH12LS38 2 x Swiftech MCP655 Variable 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm CPU Block XSPC RX360 Rev 2 Xigmatek CLF-F1255 x 14 T-Balancer BigNG, flow meter, 3 x H20 Temp, & 4... 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
2 x Custom Danger Den RAD Reservoirs Primochill Pro LRT tubing - White Windows 7 Pro x64 Sharp Aquos Quattron LC-40LE820UN 40" 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
ViewSonic LED 24" LG 32LF11 32" HP L1950 19" Logitech Wireless K800 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
OCZ Z Series 1000W Modular 80+ Gold Danger Den Double Wide 21 Series Nightmare SR2 Logitech Wireless K400 Onkyo TX-NR709 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
JBL L-890 Front L/R JBL LC2 Center JBL L-820 Side & Rear L/R (7.1 setup) Polk PS505 Sub 
Audio
Emotiva XPA-3 Power Amp 
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