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Taking something as a given isn't a confirmation. This feature was added in Bad Company, and this isn't a Bad Company title. I don't think Dice has literally said there was an HC mode. There wasn't one in the Alpha, so unless I missed it, where has this mode even been confirmed to exist in BF3?
No see, there was a comma there.

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Looks like I missed it~! Thanks dude! !!! Now the lot of you will have a place to camp each other and have a swell ol' time and not really be upset over things like balance.
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This is how it is in BF2, and its the way it should be. It will encourage people to squad up and work with there team. instead of laying down in a corner for 30 minutes waiting for people to walk by. (how is that fun in the first place)???? Will there still be camping snipers? of coarse, but to be effective they will be damn good shots (Snipers OHK all the time in BF2, you know why? they know how to aim), and isn't this kinda what its all about? Improving skill, having fun, team play? If you want to sit in a corner every round please by my guest, il be having fun.
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You know the game is messed up when there's 40 pages of arguing about the changes they've made.
Soon they'll release another trailer, then announce that another feature is missing from the game and we'll have another 40.
the funny thing is that no changes have been made. The snipers work almost just like they did in BF2 and BC2.

It's just people whining and failing to realize that a balanced Battlefield game is much more fun than a realistic BF game.
 
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It has less to do with too many snipers and more to do with balancing the game.

With the bigger maps, snipers will be able to fire at infantry from much further distances than before and with one shot killing, will give people no idea where to even look for a sniper.

"Is this area safe for me to capture the objective?"

*sees noone in sight for hundreds of yards*

*dies*

"I guess not?"

*respawns on other side of map*

With the two shot method, you get the ability to take a huge chunk of health from a player, therefore slowing their ability to actually function and is a form of suppression as they will have to wait for their health to regen before they move out again.

If they decide to move out before their health is high enough, one more shot and they're gone.


People also need to stop getting hung up on getting kills.

Battlefield has never been about simply getting kills and the recon class is actually about reconnassance/gathering/sharing Battlefield information now.

As I said before, you have a tool that can make a person scared to move again for the next 20 seconds with a single shot. That's a pretty significant tool for holding down an area.

Long story short, think less about killing, think more about supporting.
Bigger maps dont mean longer ranges for snipers. DICE isnt stupid enough to not put LoS blockers everywhere like they did in BC2 to break up most maps quite a lot. Between buildings, trees, walls, vehicles, pits, w/e other cover and SMOKE GRENADES!!! hiding and stoping snipers isnt that hard if they are "noob".

So you say that snipers need to learn to work together and as a team, and you are going out alone to capture a point which a sniper is defending (oh look he is helping his team) and since you die, when u are ramboing alone, without backup, or a medic, the sniper needs to learn how to play right? Riiight. If you had a medic or use smoke grenades then you can fight snipers easily. Or if there are more than one of you, not even with a medic, you have a good chance of taking them out with most weapons.

When you shoot u give away your position as a sniper. And in BC2 every gun is a sniper and once the maps are known most guns can SNIPE you back. I hope they fix this for BF3. Dont even get me started on slugs.

Snipers do NOT need a nerf, if anything there should be a limit on snipers, where the best snipers get those spots based on their stats as a sniper.

Are there too many idiot noob snipers? Yes

Should the sniper class be destroyed because of it? No

I used to use the GOL when I was new and quickly switched to the SVU as it requires headshots for kills, and if you are good you can kill more people faster with it. The SVU is an M14 with a scope, check the stats.


If anything, things such as shotgun slugs, long range on every weapon but shotguns without slugs, baseraping, spawn locations, and using explosives on infantry should be fixed. You should not get points for killing infantry with a rocket or 40mm or have some sort of diminishing return or kick feature, equate killing infantry with a rocket that doesnt damage a vehicle as a 2pt offence, and using 40mm as a 1 pt offence, and boot the player after 20pts of violations within a 15min period. And if they get 20pts they get kicked and the violation amount is 10pts for 30min or something similar.

THESE are the problems with the gameplay that need to be fixed. Sniping is absolutely fine in BC2, if anything its underpowered (or every other weapon being a sniper that doesnt have bullet drop is).
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This is how it is in BF2, and its the way it should be. It will encourage people to squad up and work with there team. instead of laying down in a corner for 30 minutes waiting for people to walk by. (how is that fun in the first place)???? Will there still be camping snipers? of coarse, but to be effective they will be damn good shots (Snipers OHK all the time in BF2, you know why? they know how to aim), and isn't this kinda what its all about? Improving skill, having fun, team play? If you want to sit in a corner every round please by my guest, il be having fun.
Sniper is a valid playstyle and nerfing snipers just hurts ALL snipers, not just the bad ones who camp and dont help the team. There are many other idiots in Battlefield who ruin the game in lots of different ways, should we remove explosive cuz people abuse it as a main weapon?

Should medics who rez people in line of fire repeatedly make us remove paddles?

Should idiots who run over people make us remove vehicles?

Should people who baserape make us remove our home spawn?

Should people who dont drop ammo/health as medics make us just put boxes down on the ground like BF2? (might help xbox live)

What about other people who camp facing their own base so when u run by they shoot you? Should we remove corners and walls because people hide and shoot you in the back and you have no chance unless you check every corner?

If Snipers dont one shot kill for the bolts in hardcore I will cancel my preorder and never buy another dice product (and this was my last EA one). This is such BS it blows my mind if its for hardcore. And I assume it is cuz you cant 1 shot kill in normal mode as far as I know (dont play it).
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the funny thing is that no changes have been made. The snipers work almost just like they did in BF2 and BC2.

It's just people whining and failing to realize that a balanced Battlefield game is much more fun than a realistic BF game.
You're wrong. One body shot kill with bolt action snipers IS balanced. And even in hardcore if you dont like it if you wear body armor, then you dont get 1 shot! Wow that was so hard!

BUT I DONT WANT TO WEAR THE BODY ARMOR QQQQQQQ


Its just casual idiots ruining games cuz they got sniped.

WAH SNIPER GOT ME WHEN I RAN IN OPEN AND REFUSE TO USE SMOKE OR PLAY AS A SQAUD OR WEAR BODY ARMOR Y SNIPER NO WORK AS TEAM I AM RAMBO NOT FAIR WAAAAAH!!!
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sorry campers
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You're wrong. One body shot kill with bolt action snipers IS balanced. And even in hardcore if you dont like it if you wear body armor, then you dont get 1 shot! Wow that was so hard!

BUT I DONT WANT TO WEAR THE BODY ARMOR QQQQQQQ


Its just casual idiots ruining games cuz they got sniped.

WAH SNIPER GOT ME WHEN I RAN IN OPEN AND REFUSE TO USE SMOKE OR PLAY AS A SQAUD OR WEAR BODY ARMOR Y SNIPER NO WORK AS TEAM I AM RAMBO NOT FAIR WAAAAAH!!!
look who's goin waaaah over here... quadruple or triple post? sheesh...

And yes one hit kill bolt action snipers would be overpowered. You can do quite fine with a sniper rifle now in BF2 or BC2, just as fine as with another class. It's balanced and classes are about equal.

And you must know that it is unrealistic to expect players to deploy smoke every time they go somewhere, they'd be out of smoke nades before they got from one control point to another.

And I still can't see why you are implying that snipers are getting nerfed... it's just like it was before. If you want your unbalanced one-hit-kill-fest go and play HC. Everyone is happy
 
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look who's goin waaaah over here... quadruple or triple post? sheesh...

And yes one hit kill bolt action snipers would be overpowered. You can do quite fine with a sniper rifle now in BF2 or BC2, just as fine as with another class. It's balanced and classes are about equal.

And you must know that it is unrealistic to expect players to deploy smoke every time they go somewhere, they'd be out of smoke nades before they got from one control point to another.

And I still can't see why you are implying that snipers are getting nerfed... it's just like it was before. If you want your unbalanced one-hit-kill-fest go and play HC. Everyone is happy
Maybe I posted because I care about the game and want it to be good and balanced.

"You can do quite fine with a sniper rifle now in BF2 or BC2, just as fine as with another class. It's balanced and classes are about equal."

Ok so WHY do you want to nerf bolt action snipers, I could hear someone complaining about that auto sniper possibly, but not a bolt action. I mean you jsut admitted balance is fine in BC2!?!?

You dont deploy smoke everytime. When you are getting sniped, you help your TEAM, with the class the has infinite ammo, by throwing down smoke. I do it all the time to help my team, sometimes I even spam smoke down with an ammo pack to help break base rapes, or stop snipers. Try it, it will piss off those snipers so bad.

You play normal... well that explains a lot....

It takes so many bullets to kill anyone in normal and bolt snipes are useless. In fact its easier to kill snipers in hardcore because a few shots and they are dead and a good shot and they are bloody, aka useless and nearly every gun in BC2 can snipe. If they say "one body shot bolts wont kill" then it must mean hardcore, because in normal one body shot bolts never kills in BC2. This would literally ruin BF3. All that is happening is snipers are getting punished more instead of doing something smart, like limiting snipers and those are prioritized by who is the best sniper by stats. Servers already do this but it lets noobs snipe so you may not be able to snipe if you are a good team playing sniper, who switches to other roles when needed.

Dont ruin this game for the good snipers or they wont play and all you will have is baddies who will still do the same thing. I cant even get into BC2 that much because the game is so broken from explosives and slugs and lag.
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