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Maybe I posted because I care about the game and want it to be good and balanced.

"You can do quite fine with a sniper rifle now in BF2 or BC2, just as fine as with another class. It's balanced and classes are about equal."

Ok so WHY do you want to nerf bolt action snipers, I could hear someone complaining about that auto sniper possibly, but not a bolt action. I mean you jsut admitted balance is fine in BC2!?!?

You dont deploy smoke everytime. When you are getting sniped, you help your TEAM, with the class the has infinite ammo, by throwing down smoke. I do it all the time to help my team, sometimes I even spam smoke down with an ammo pack to help break base rapes, or stop snipers. Try it, it will piss off those snipers so bad.

You play normal... well that explains a lot....

It takes so many bullets to kill anyone in normal and bolt snipes are useless. In fact its easier to kill snipers in hardcore because a few shots and they are dead and a good shot and they are bloody, aka useless and nearly every gun in BC2 can snipe. If they say "one body shot bolts wont kill" then it must mean hardcore, because in normal one body shot bolts never kills in BC2. This would literally ruin BF3. All that is happening is snipers are getting punished more instead of doing something smart, like limiting snipers and those are prioritized by who is the best sniper by stats. Servers already do this but it lets noobs snipe so you may not be able to snipe if you are a good team playing sniper, who switches to other roles when needed.

Dont ruin this game for the good snipers or they wont play and all you will have is baddies who will still do the same thing. I cant even get into BC2 that much because the game is so broken from explosives and slugs and lag.
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BC2 damage model != BF3 damage model.

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Noone is asking for a nerf. BF2 never had one shot to the body sniper rifles. What you actually asking for is a buff (which essentially equats to "click to kill") of a system any BF2 sniper worked with just fine.

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If bolt action rifles are useless to you anywhere else but hardcore, you have no right to be protesting on the side of the "good" snipers.
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BC2 damage model != BF3 damage model.

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Noone is asking for a nerf. BF2 never had one shot to the body sniper rifles. What you actually asking for is a buff (which essentially equats to "click to kill") of a system any BF2 sniper worked with just fine.

3.
If bolt action rifles are useless to you anywhere else but hardcore, you have no right to be protesting on the side of the "good" snipers.
1. The models will be similar and the fact that one body shot with a bolt action sniper wont kill someone is a problem regardless of other damage.

2. I didnt say BF2 as far as I remember, I said BC2.

3. If you have a weapon with a 3-5 sec reload time, and you miss, you are dead. You are never going to get 2 shots off anyone that is competent in close-mid range. Thats how it is in hardcore as well, is you miss with your GOL, you die. Thats how it should be. For long range in normal mode I dont know whats balanced, but the change they are talknig about is obviously hardcore mode since in BC2 one shot will kill anyone not wearing body armor if you use the magnum slugs.

I hardly use bolt snipers anyway and use the SVU (aka scope M14) almost all the time now and rarely use the GOL, and if I use it thats for anti sniper sniping.
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1. The models will be similar and the fact that one body shot with a bolt action sniper wont kill someone is a problem regardless of other damage..
Exactly how similar is similar? What I played in the alpha and what I play in BC2 are two different things.

Not killing people in one shot to the body would only ever be a problem in Call of Duty or Bad Company.

BF3 is neither of those and no one hit kills to the body was not a problem in its predecessor BF2.

Being a "problem" is also your opinion and is not a fact.

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2. I didnt say BF2 as far as I remember, I said BC2..
I didn't say you did, I was just letting you know that you saying that no 1 hit kill to the body is a nerf is false, because the game that BF3 follows on from (BF2) also had no 1 hit kill to the body.

What you are actually campaigning for is a boost/buff.

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3. If you have a weapon with a 3-5 sec reload time, and you miss, you are dead. You are never going to get 2 shots off anyone that is competent in close-mid range. Thats how it is in hardcore as well, is you miss with your GOL, you die. Thats how it should be. For long range in normal mode I dont know whats balanced, but the change they are talknig about is obviously hardcore mode since in BC2 one shot will kill anyone not wearing body armor if you use the magnum slugs..

Which is precisely why you have a secondary weapon.


If you want to engage a guy with an SMG in close/medium range, you better know that you can hit him in the head.

If not, use your secondary. That's why its there.
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If you have a weapon with a 3-5 sec reload time, and you miss, you are dead. You are never going to get 2 shots off anyone that is competent in close-mid range.
If you have any other weapon with any reload time and that sniper hits you in the head, you are dead. You are never going to get 2 shots off any sniper who is competent at mid-max range.
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^^^True.

I've got a really nifty HandyRifle in .17 Mach II that I use for shootin Squirrels on the folks property. Some years ago there was one right in front of the shop(which was empty at the time) and my stepdads S10 Blazer was covering the area and the little bastage was using it for cover. I went in the house grabbed my Rifle(50mm Bushnell scope) grabbed my bean bag rest and laid back about 50y back and off the Passenger side. I wait the little bugger out layin in the dirt. He popped up and I cleaned his clock easy as you please.

Took him up to my neighbors dog who enjoyed the snack. I'm not crowing about shooting a Squirrel. That happens a lot of times in the South. People like hunting Whistle Pigs down there. Nope it was the difficulty of the shot. An '87-'88 S10 Blazer doesn't stand very high. I bagged him shooting at an angle between the tires and about 8 inches from ground to bumper. He probably should have been wearing his Kevlar that day.



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Real life Snipers lose target acquisition with bolt action sniper rifles after the first shot, why should BF reward players with a single shot when that doesn't occur on the real battlefield? The click to kill method isn't fun. Close range with the sniper, the person is dead in one shot, long range sniping would take two shots. If someone is using a bolt action sniper in close range and misses, it's on them for getting for getting raped.
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^^^True.

I've got a really nifty HandyRifle in .17 Mach II that I use for shootin Squirrels on the folks property. Some years ago there was one right in front of the shop(which was empty at the time) and my stepdads S10 Blazer was covering the area and the little bastage was using it for cover. I went in the house grabbed my Rifle(50mm Bushnell scope) grabbed my bean bag rest and laid back about 50y back and off the Passenger side. I wait the little bugger out layin in the dirt. He popped up and I cleaned his clock easy as you please.

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Real life Snipers lose target acquisition with bolt action sniper rifles after the first shot, why should BF reward players with a single shot when that doesn't occur on the real battlefield? The click to kill method isn't fun. Close range with the sniper, the person is dead in one shot, long range sniping would take two shots. If someone is using a bolt action sniper in close range and misses, it's on them for getting for getting raped.
And you would know because you have experience with Bolt Action? When real life Snipers use a variety of kit not to mention there are lots of SemiAuto rifles taken into the field on a daily basis around the world

HK PSG1 being one of the best straight shooters available to this day. Barrets and Cheytac Anti Tank rifles too. Though the Cheytac is BA.

The original M14 was used in Viet Nam as well as the Winchester Bolt Action variant of that period. A lot of what was taken into the field was dependent on the conditions of the time.

But I commend you Agent 47.

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Maybe I posted because I care about the game and want it to be good and balanced.

"You can do quite fine with a sniper rifle now in BF2 or BC2, just as fine as with another class. It's balanced and classes are about equal."

Ok so WHY do you want to nerf bolt action snipers, I could hear someone complaining about that auto sniper possibly, but not a bolt action. I mean you jsut admitted balance is fine in BC2!?!?
no one is nerfing anything.

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You dont deploy smoke everytime. When you are getting sniped, you help your TEAM, with the class the has infinite ammo, by throwing down smoke. I do it all the time to help my team, sometimes I even spam smoke down with an ammo pack to help break base rapes, or stop snipers. Try it, it will piss off those snipers so bad.
yeah but BC2 is a different animal than BF3. I don't think it'd be realistic to think that someone should be expected to deploy smoke every time they want to move out of cover.

And yes I've tried it and it's fun and useful.

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You play normal... well that explains a lot....
normal seriously is the more balanced version of the game. And I don't get why people think that requiring more shots to kill would somehow be dumbed down or noobish. With normal mode you usually have time to react to you being shot and it's not just a case of who sees who first. This gives an edge to players who have better shooting skills.

Normal is just a different game mode, it's not worse than HC.

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It takes so many bullets to kill anyone in normal and bolt snipes are useless. In fact its easier to kill snipers in hardcore because a few shots and they are dead and a good shot and they are bloody, aka useless and nearly every gun in BC2 can snipe. If they say "one body shot bolts wont kill" then it must mean hardcore, because in normal one body shot bolts never kills in BC2. This would literally ruin BF3. All that is happening is snipers are getting punished more instead of doing something smart, like limiting snipers and those are prioritized by who is the best sniper by stats. Servers already do this but it lets noobs snipe so you may not be able to snipe if you are a good team playing sniper, who switches to other roles when needed.
BC2 does have one body shot kills in normal mode. You just have to be close enough to the target, say 20m.

This is probably what they are trying to remove from the game. They don't want recons going to the front line with a bolt action sniper but rather taking a gun like a shotty etc. Bolt action rifles are not meant to be a close range weapon.

And I can't see any reason why HC wouldn't still have one hit kill...

And I still don't understand why you insist that requiring 2 body shots makes snipers unusable? They're very much usable in normal mode and they're balanced with the other classes right? So that must mean that they are balanced about right.

If we had a one body shot kill mechanism it'd just be extremely easy to kill someone with a sniper rifle. It's not a challenge to hit the body, anyone can do that with very good accuracy from far away. Requiring headshots actually gives people some challenge. Besides shooting to the body in normal mode hurts pretty bad, so it's not useless at all. Usually your team picks up the guy you shot a few seconds later and you get a critical kill assist.

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Dont ruin this game for the good snipers or they wont play and all you will have is baddies who will still do the same thing. I cant even get into BC2 that much because the game is so broken from explosives and slugs and lag.
BC2 explosives are fine, the gustav was OP but after it got nerfed it's ok. And I don't see what there is to complain about other explosives?

Slugs are bad imo too.
 
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