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Originally Posted by Eric Barney View Post
Film is harder to photoshop! The instructor wants you to lake photos that don't need to be altered.
You can get professional prints from a digital file just as much as a film negative. I would love to hear how your proff intends to tell whether the pic you hand in was taken with a DSLR or film camera sinply from the final copy.

Besides it is incredibly hard to photoshop the kinds of things they teach you in school such as depth of field and other racking focus and such. You can't just take an out of focus area and photoshop it to look clear as day.

But really this guy sounds like a moron if thats really why hes making you use film over digital because hes afraid of photoshop.

Also why would the film school be teaching how to use a darkroom, its obsolete and no one in the industry uses that. Its for hobbiest only for the most part today.
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You can get professional prints from a digital file just as much as a film negative. I would love to hear how your proff intends to tell whether the pic you hand in was taken with a DSLR or film camera sinply from the final copy.

Besides it is incredibly hard to photoshop the kinds of things they teach you in school such as depth of field and other racking focus and such. You can't just take an out of focus area and photoshop it to look clear as day.

But really this guy sounds like a moron if thats really why hes making you use film over digital because hes afraid of photoshop.

Also why would the film school be teaching how to use a darkroom, its obsolete and no one in the industry uses that. Its for hobbiest only for the most part today.
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Originally Posted by sub50hz View Post
Not if he buys an FD-mount Canon body.

It's just a suggestion. Something to consider when buying a film camera.



What? That's so blatantly false it's not even funny. Even in HS photography, they'll likely be taught how to use simple darkroom tools and tricks like push processing, burning and dodging, etc.
Many instructors want you to learn to take a photo that is properly exposed, composed etc. Something that you might be more inclined to do when you are stuck with the limited quantity of exposures that a roll of film provides. I absolutely agree that darkroom tecniques will, and should be taught.
    
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Also why would the film school be teaching how to use a darkroom, its obsolete and no one in the industry uses that. Its for hobbiest only for the most part today.
Because it's a craft that should still be learned. I absolutely hate that there are people who think because digital came into existence that film should me completely pushed away.

Going to go into rant mode since this actually really annoys me. Like a lot.



- First of all digital only covers 35mm and medium format (6x4.5). And don't even mention scanning backs, they're basically only useful for tabletop. There is no digital large format so if you want to shoot 4x5, 8x10, etc... you need to shoot film. But thanks to digital this format is becoming more of a niche without any digital alternatives. So less film to choose from, less companies pushing stuff out for it and no digital version. Wow, awesome. And to point out LF absolutely wipes the floor with digital when it comes to IQ, control, tones, color, DoF, movements, etc...

- Film is an art and should always be taught. There are so many processes out there that are very interesting to use and get unique results. Digital doesn't have this at all.

- DIGITAL B&W IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE. When you do a B&W inkjet print you're not getting true blacks since it's just mixing colors. It doesn't even come close to a nice fiber B&W print that's skillfully printed.

- Just because the commercial world has adopted digital doesn't magically make film dead.

- Films for hobbiest? There is so much fine art that's still done with film that is absolutely amazing. Here, let me post an example.

Richard Learoyd shoots "film". I can't actually say it's film since he doesn't use film. He actually shoots directly onto sheets of RA-4 paper that's hung in a separate room, exposes for hours at a time and processes the sheet. The prints are absolutely amazing, the DoF falloff is so soft, and the tones are fantastic. Oh, and for people concerned about IQ the pics are beyond sharp. (and for the people curious about how much each print goes for, $40k+).

The whole process flat out can't be replicated with digital.

A lot of the work is nudes so I can't post it.





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post #25 of 38
Back on topic go with the N80 with the nikon lens. I have a n80 I like it, a little on the slow side for focusing, but you can use that lens on any nikon DSLR, I think. Versus the canon which I believe the lens is not compatible, but I know several people here can correct me if I am wrong. Another option is looking the Pentax line since last I check almost all the lens are compatible between the film and DSLR series.
post #26 of 38
All ef lenses (film or digital) are interchangeable.
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All ef lenses (film or digital) are interchangeable.
Right, but FD lenses do not fit EF bodies without an adapter.
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Woah I didn't mean to make people angry in this thread.. Sorry if I did. But what I think why my teacher is making us have 1 is clearly what Marin said: "Because it's a craft that should still be learned. I absolutely hate that there are people who think because digital came into existence that film should me completely pushed away. Film is an art and should always be taught. There are so many processes out there that are very interesting to use and get unique results. Digital doesn't have this at all."
I agree with Marin, it's nice to learn film photography too.

OT: Ok guys thanks for the help, I'm stuck between the Canon FTB and Nikon N80. Which would be a lot better? Thank you all.

Still looking for a cheap AE-1
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The FTb man. You're going to learn so much by having to manual focus and shoot. By taking that extra time to compose the shot you're going to help yourself become a better photographer. That and the FTb is a classic of a well-built brick.
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I agree with BlankThis, there's also something enjoyable when using a completely manual camera.
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