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Ok, thanks guys. I'll go with the Canon AE-1 I just found 1 at Craigslist near me, just going to see if it works. If not, then I'll go ahead and buy the FTB!
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I apologize for any friction I may have caused. It was not my intention in any way. I have shot many rolls of film before finally getting a DSLR. I have some limited darkroom experience, and also use photoshop. The latter mostly for cropping and other minor tasks. Using manual cameras with film really teaches the true fundamentals of photography. A deep understanding of exposure becomes part of the mind set, and will enhance your abilities no matter what camera you are using.
Time spent in the darkroom will be used for creativity, instead of repairing poorly exposed photographs. (Even if the 'darkroom' is digital.)

Camera advice? Make sure that the camera is what your instructor would like you to use. Spend only as much as you can..... If you fall in love with photography, Then worry about what camera system works for you.. Good luck, and good shooting
    
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It's ok! you don't have to apologize.

I've been pretty much in the photography scene for about 4-5 years now, also with photoshop. So, I've already fallen in love with photography. I only chose the class because it's pretty much a blow off class for me, other than learning the darkroom set, and I wanted to get in because of the competitions I can enter ($5000-$100) prizes. Oh, and I want the art AP credit too.
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post #34 of 38
That's a really poor attitude to have about something you've "been into" for some time.
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Originally Posted by james_ant View Post
Seams wierd that you would need a film camera and that a regular DSLR wont do the job. The end result is the exact same thing and I would think a DSLR would give you far more flexability in terms of settings.

At least thats what I used in my film classes last year.
You used a DSLR for your film class?


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Originally Posted by Marin View Post
Because it's a craft that should still be learned. I absolutely hate that there are people who think because digital came into existence that film should me completely pushed away.

Going to go into rant mode since this actually really annoys me. Like a lot.



- First of all digital only covers 35mm and medium format (6x4.5). And don't even mention scanning backs, they're basically only useful for tabletop. There is no digital large format so if you want to shoot 4x5, 8x10, etc... you need to shoot film. But thanks to digital this format is becoming more of a niche without any digital alternatives. So less film to choose from, less companies pushing stuff out for it and no digital version. Wow, awesome. And to point out LF absolutely wipes the floor with digital when it comes to IQ, control, tones, color, DoF, movements, etc...

- Film is an art and should always be taught. There are so many processes out there that are very interesting to use and get unique results. Digital doesn't have this at all.

- DIGITAL B&W IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE. When you do a B&W inkjet print you're not getting true blacks since it's just mixing colors. It doesn't even come close to a nice fiber B&W print that's skillfully printed.

- Just because the commercial world has adopted digital doesn't magically make film dead.

- Films for hobbiest? There is so much fine art that's still done with film that is absolutely amazing. Here, let me post an example.

Richard Learoyd shoots "film". I can't actually say it's film since he doesn't use film. He actually shoots directly onto sheets of RA-4 paper that's hung in a separate room, exposes for hours at a time and processes the sheet. The prints are absolutely amazing, the DoF falloff is so soft, and the tones are fantastic. Oh, and for people concerned about IQ the pics are beyond sharp. (and for the people curious about how much each print goes for, $40k+).

The whole process flat out can't be replicated with digital.

A lot of the work is nudes so I can't post it.

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^^ I really like the way you think.


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Originally Posted by gtsteviiee View Post
Woah I didn't mean to make people angry in this thread.. Sorry if I did. But what I think why my teacher is making us have 1 is clearly what Marin said: "Because it's a craft that should still be learned. I absolutely hate that there are people who think because digital came into existence that film should me completely pushed away. Film is an art and should always be taught. There are so many processes out there that are very interesting to use and get unique results. Digital doesn't have this at all."
I agree with Marin, it's nice to learn film photography too.

OT: Ok guys thanks for the help, I'm stuck between the Canon FTB and Nikon N80. Which would be a lot better? Thank you all.

Still looking for a cheap AE-1
^^ I like the way your teacher thinks too...

To the OP: Are there any requirements as far as the camera goes? If it has to be completely manual and you don't want to spend much money, you might also look at the Pentax K1000. They can be had for cheap and they're about the most durable camera I know of. You can throw one against a brick wall and all you'll have to do is dust it off...then replace the broken bricks.

As far as the other 2 choices, I used to have an AE-1 system, but it got stolen about 25 years ago. I do have an FTb now, and it's a lot of fun to shoot. If you get one and take care of it, you should be able to sell it for about what you bought it for.

Just my 2c worth...hope it helps,

Rich
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It's ok! you don't have to apologize.

I've been pretty much in the photography scene for about 4-5 years now, also with photoshop. So, I've already fallen in love with photography. I only chose the class because it's pretty much a blow off class for me, other than learning the darkroom set, and I wanted to get in because of the competitions I can enter ($5000-$100) prizes. Oh, and I want the art AP credit too.


You have got to be kidding me. I would kill to be in a class that taught film photography. You need a new appreciation for ALL photography if you took it as a "blow off class".

Seriously rethink being in love with photography if you don't appreciate, and want to learn, the art form of film.
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Well I do appreciate all types of photography, what I mean by blow-off is that I can get a free easy high grade without having to try really hard in class because, Photography is my thing, I don't have to wark hard but have fun doing what I do best, well almost best.


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Excellent choice with the AE-1. I have still have mine and absolutely love it. Even though I have a digital SLR, I feel my best work has come from film.

I absolutely loved working in the darkroom. B/W printing is one thing, but it gets much more difficult when you do Color printing. That was my favorite.
     
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