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Can someone please tell me if the Kana will be optical or laser? I really want to buy a new mouse this month but if it's going to be optical i might just wait for it and see how it is.
it's optical, but won't be released this month.
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Oh i wasn't expecting it to be released this month, i said that if it's good i'll wait more.

Good thing that it's optical btw, ty for that info.

What about the pricepoint? Does anyone know how much will it cost?
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Originally Posted by Christo4 View Post
Oh i wasn't expecting it to be released this month, i said that if it's good i'll wait more.

Good thing that it's optical btw, ty for that info.

What about the pricepoint? Does anyone know how much will it cost?
Most likely more than the Kinzu but less than the Xai. That's as much as anyone, except for kimrom himself knows for sure.
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@kimrom i saw from reviews in this forum that the pixart sensor u'll put in kana has really minor acceleration, have u been able to fix it?
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I think Kaingosu is overlooking one important fact - most people here are mousephiles and NOT the target market for any company. Well, Puretrak made an effort and look how that turned out. Most sales will come from the general public who havn't got a clue what a mouse switch is and assume laser is better than optical because well, it sounds "cooler". This is why I can understand adding all those features I consider pointless, such as braided cables, flashing lights and 5 billion DPI. The general public are ignorant of the technical specs of the products they buy (form over function etc). The same rules apply to any market.

Most of us here want a bland mouse with no lights, a thin non-braided cable, an optical prediction free Avago sensor, more expensive switches etc etc. Such a mouse will not sell to 99% of the market. As such it would need to be priced quite high to account for low sales figures, making it even less likely to sell due to the personal preference surrounding mouse ergonomics.

Although most of us would much prefer Omron switches, it's not that difficult to change yourself tbh. As for the sensor, I gather the PixArt is cpl dollars cheaper than the Avago. SteelSeries could use Omron and Avago and we would still find something else to moan about
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post #146 of 503
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
We are not the market? What is the market then kimrom? The journalists? The so called pro players? Only China and Japan count? Correct me if im wrong but my best guess is 50% of your profit comes from US and EU. You keep implying that pro players are best for giving feedback but you are so wrong. And even if you care only what pro players think, why are you talking like you know who i am? Who we are? I used to play CS in clan TeG from Romania in 2002. Back then we played with ball mice. I played on Clanbase and many other international competitions when i was younger. I was there when the first optical mouse was born. I think your attitude here is wrong. Basically what you're saying is only the ppl who like your products are THE MARKET. What about the rest of us who find faults in SS mice?
The target audience for SteelSeries has always been the competitive crowd (in my opinion) but it's obvious that for SteelSeries to stay afloat and even attempt to make mice for the competitive gamer, that they need to broaden their target audience. Kim made a post in one of the Sensei threads explaining why the Sensei has lights and 11,400 CPI. While I still don't find it acceptable, I understand why they made those decisions and why they're kind of being forced (not literally held at gun point but it's obvious as to why they're doing what they're doing now).

I have no idea what the actual numbers are, but I would say a good guess is that Razer is taking a HUGE part of the market simply due to the fact that their mice are pretty. Don't get me wrong, the DeathAdder is an excellent mouse (and still has the best overall tracking out of any mouse on the market), but it's obvious that the reason they sell so much is due to the look of their mice.

I'm getting away from the point of the original post. Long story short, the people that frequent this forum are a VERY VERY small percentage of the overall market, and that's his point.
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Originally Posted by Cek View Post
@kimrom i saw from reviews in this forum that the pixart sensor u'll put in kana has really minor acceleration, have u been able to fix it?
Got a link?

EDIT: Unless you mean from my Mico review stating that I noticed something while swiping unrealistically fast trying to get the sensor to skip. If so that's not an issue at all.
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Most likely more than the Kinzu but less than the Xai. That's as much as anyone, except for kimrom himself knows for sure.
Well the price of the xai is more than i can pay and the price of the kinzu is more appropriate to what i would like to pay on a mouse.

Isn't the Pixart sensor the kana is supposed to use the same as the Roccat kova + ?
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
My point was you said glossy surface is cheaper. So why isn't Xai RUSE cheaper than the black rubberized one? Im not talking about the sides.
Two reasons.

They payed a royalty fee to a games publisher so in the end its probally more expensive for them than the xai

Second, and most important supply/demand. If you don't understand that I seriously doubt you are work in marketing

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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
Why don't you make a poll like you did with Mouse1.1? If the feedback of pro players is all you need think again about who's buying your mice. Im pretty sure f0rest will play just as good with a brick instead of kinzu, so i can't say pro players are the best ones for giving feedback.
Not all pro gamers know the technical stuff about mice, however I have no doubt that most do. But what all of them have in common is that they rely on their equipment AND help with the sales. If a pro gamer start using a certain mouse or helped giving feedback like in the case of the sensei, then people will buy it. If he thought pro gamers were the best and only sources you can use as feedback then he wouldn't be here. Why do you think he is sending prototypes of the kana to people of this forum?


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
You're saying you wanna make mice for players, well GeT_RighT will play just as good with a ball mouse. The acceleration in Xai and Sensei is no problem for him because he plays like 24/7 and he got used to it. Normal gamers play 3-4 hours a day and they don't have time to adjust to it.
You have to adjust to any mouse, not just a mouse with acceleration. If you are used to play with a mouse with prediction it will take time to adjust to one without prediction. Same with acceleration


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
Another thing i know for sure is most of these guys play with a high sensitivity and acceleration is not a big problem in this case. But when you play with 400 DPI and 1.9 ingame like me you constantly hit the malfunction speed on cloth pads with Xai.
Most of what guys? If you are talking about the pro gamers, then you are very wrong. You will only hit the perfect control speed on some clothpads, not all. Same with optical sensors on aluminum pads like the steelseries sx, yet we don't call those sensors bad because of that


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
If Kana turns out to be what im hoping for then be prepared for a "pro" edition no matter the costs. I'm trying to help you know? I can't help you just by praising you're products, the best thing i can do for us all is pointing out the issues so you can fix them.
I doubt they are going to make a pro edition just for you

And the things you call issues, is as he said not issues to 99% of the people buying their products.


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Why not both? What is the price you're aiming for? I refuse to think Kana is gonna cost the same as kinzu, so in my opinion the side buttons is difference enough. I won't even tell you alot of guys feel that a non-braided, thin, ductile cord is even better than a braided one.
He already explained its to lower production cost so it can still compete with other mice. However I would prefer omron switches over the braided cord.


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
We are not the market? What is the market then kimrom? The journalists? The so called pro players?.
Unfortunately the market is the average gamer. Nothing will change that

People who care about the switches in gaming mice is not the average gamer.

The journalists are obviously being used because they have a much bigger audience than us.


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
Basically what you're saying is only the ppl who like your products are THE MARKET. What about the rest of us who find faults in SS mice?
He never said that only people who like their products are the market but as he already explained they never got any complains about the switches and very few even asking about what switches they use. Why would the change the switches, making the product more expensive and less competetive with other gaming products with similar features when obviously very few people care about the switches?


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
Back on topic, i keep hearing about the PixArt sensor in Kana. What about Avago 3090? It's a prediction free optical sensor, no acceleration and more than enough IPS. There's only 2 mice atm with this sensor, one is a complete fail i hear and the other one is just too small. I would love to see this sensor in an ambidextrous mouse, cause i think it's got potential. The only problems are the DPI steps, but if anybody can fix that properly i think it's SS.
Theres NOTHING wrong with the pixart sensor. It have some slight prediction but as I said many times prediction is a preference and not a con. So I'm asking you, why the avago 3090?


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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post
How is 9500 better than 6010? More DPI?
More options for customization and a MUCH higher perfect control speed
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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Two reasons.

They payed a royalty fee to a games publisher so in the end its probally more expensive for them than the xai

Second, and most important supply/demand. If you don't understand that I seriously doubt you are work in marketing
Supply/demand is not a reason for a product to be more expensive. The price itself can be a cause for low demand. I won't even respond to your last allegation.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Not all pro gamers know the technical stuff about mice, however I have no doubt that most do. But what all of them have in common is that they rely on their equipment AND help with the sales. If a pro gamer start using a certain mouse or helped giving feedback like in the case of the sensei, then people will buy it. If he thought pro gamers were the best and only sources you can use as feedback then he wouldn't be here. Why do you think he is sending prototypes of the kana to people of this forum
I know how the advertising world works, you don't need to tell me.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
You have to adjust to any mouse, not just a mouse with acceleration. If you are used to play with a mouse with prediction it will take time to adjust to one without prediction. Same with acceleration
Xai has inconsistent acceleration (neg/pos on cloth). You can't adjust to it, atleast not with a low sensitivity. It's the definition of inconsistency.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Most of what guys? If you are talking about the pro gamers, then you are very wrong. You will only hit the perfect control speed on some clothpads, not all. Same with optical sensors on aluminum pads like the steelseries sx, yet we don't call those sensors bad because of that
I was talking about top CS teams and they do have high sens. Atleast the ones using Xai and Kinzu. They use 400 CPI with 2,9 to 3,5 sens. That is high in my book. Cloth pads are the most popular, aluminium is not. You're not making any point.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
I doubt they are going to make a pro edition just for you
And the things you call issues, is as he said not issues to 99% of the people buying their products.
They will, just like they did with kinzu. I didn't say just for me. I don't understand why are you being so defensive about it? Also i keep hearing 99% of ppl ... did you or SS asked all of those ppl? Atleast im talking about the guys on this forum complaining about acc on Xai.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Unfortunately the market is the average gamer. Nothing will change that
People who care about the switches in gaming mice is not the average gamer.
The journalists are obviously being used because they have a much bigger audience than us.
That was a rhetorical question about the journalist. And ofcourse it's convenient to have some guys review your product, that have no ideea what acceleration in a sensor is. But he said he is trying to make a better mouse, not to hide the flaws. That is the point isn't it?

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
He never said that only people who like their products are the market but as he already explained they never got any complains about the switches and very few even asking about what switches they use. Why would the change the switches, making the product more expensive and less competetive with other gaming products with similar features when obviously very few people care about the switches?
Yes he did. Not in so many words, but he did implied it. Obviously he doesn't believe that, so i don't know why he said ppl here are not the market. What people here? Do i belong to a certain group of people and i don't know it? I AM the average gamer. I DO buy SS products and i sometimes see flaws. The almost perfect sensor is out there. They need to see DPI and lights don't matter so much as no acceleration, no prediction and no jitter.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
Theres NOTHING wrong with the pixart sensor. It have some slight prediction but as I said many times prediction is a preference and not a con. So I'm asking you, why the avago 3090?
He asked for recommendations. I don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
More options for customization and a MUCH higher perfect control speed
Not on cloth. I actually have an A4tech xl-750bk-2 laying around and the perfect control speed is much higher than the Logitech G5 (definitely over 1.35 m/s). They both have 6010, so it must be the lens or something. 9500 has positive acceleration even on hard pads so you don't have to hit a certain speed.
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