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All this debate because of switches. Curse you TTC!

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I think Kaingosu is overlooking one important fact - most people here are mousephiles and NOT the target market for any company. Well, Puretrak made an effort and look how that turned out. Most sales will come from the general public who havn't got a clue what a mouse switch is and assume laser is better than optical because well, it sounds "cooler". This is why I can understand adding all those features I consider pointless, such as braided cables, flashing lights and 5 billion DPI. The general public are ignorant of the technical specs of the products they buy (form over function etc). The same rules apply to any market.

Most of us here want a bland mouse with no lights, a thin non-braided cable, an optical prediction free Avago sensor, more expensive switches etc etc. Such a mouse will not sell to 99% of the market. As such it would need to be priced quite high to account for low sales figures, making it even less likely to sell due to the personal preference surrounding mouse ergonomics.

Although most of us would much prefer Omron switches, it's not that difficult to change yourself tbh. As for the sensor, I gather the PixArt is cpl dollars cheaper than the Avago. SteelSeries could use Omron and Avago and we would still find something else to moan about
I completly understand what the market is all about. I work as a marketing manager for a pharmaceutical company. Nobody ever raised their profit by pointing out the issues with their products. I never sent Steelseries, Razer, Logitech emails complaining about things. But kimrom is here and he wants to hear opinions and how they should improve their mice. What good can come from me praising the Xai and Kinzu? They got the top pro gaming teams doing that already. I guess we can all sit back and don't say a word, but that won't help Steelseries make better products. What about the threads i read everyday like "HELP! Steelseries Xai acceleration problem" or "Kinzu sensor really sux" or "Abyssus still jitters" etc etc etc. He asked us for an honest opinion, i gave mine. If you think there's no major problem with the mice thesedays don't say anything, but they will understand the Xai is perfect and all that it needs are some flashing lights and maybe another color or something.

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All this debate because of switches. Curse you TTC!
It's not their fault ... they did their best.
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Originally Posted by kimrom View Post
Kinzu has no side-buttons, never will. Kana has a total of 2 side buttons.
Curious to know how this will work. One side button on each side? or both one one side (which means the mouse wouldn't really be ambi)?

For me, if it's only one button per side, I may forgo the Kana and grab a Kinzu V2. It sounds like that's the way it probably is, considering the mentioned size as being "between Sensei and Kinzu". My answer is probably in this thread somewhere, put I figured one more post about it wouldn't hurt.

@ Kimrom:

Three questions for you, actually

1) I know the D3 mouse has the 9500 sensor in it, just like the Sensei and the Xai. I know it won't have the interpolated CPI measurements in the 11k range. Is it basically a Xai with D3 designs? I'm kinda hoping it *doesn't* have the LCD screen on the bottom, because I had issues with that on two Xais, but I'm mainly looking for key differences in cpi adjustment, freemove etc.

2) Are there any plans for a non-MMO oriented ergonomic mouse in the future? Personally the best fit I've ever had for my hand has been the Ikari optical, and even as someone who plays WoW I would prefer the shape without a myriad of buttons in my thumb area.

3) If #2 is a no, is there any way to get a custom mouse built that has that shell with an updated sensor, short of taking one apart and doing it myself? Yes, I know how much of a longshot this is, but figured I might as well ask


@ everyone else:

Looking through the mouse spec sticky in this forum, I've noticed I have never used a mouse with TTC switches. On the keyboard front, I'm well aware of different switch types, how they feel, required actuation force, and the like. Is it possible to describe the tactile feel of the TTC switches compared to the typical Omron switches used in most mice? I'm currently using a DA black edition but I want to go back to an ambi mouse... I've heard that the DA's side buttons were TTC but wasn't sure. If that's the case, I bet they would work fine for me on main buttons with a shorter travel distance.
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I assumed the Kana was going to have two on one side or two on each side. If it's only one per side, I'm going to be crushed Was looking forward to the mouse.
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@ everyone else:

Looking through the mouse spec sticky in this forum, I've noticed I have never used a mouse with TTC switches. On the keyboard front, I'm well aware of different switch types, how they feel, required actuation force, and the like. Is it possible to describe the tactile feel of the TTC switches compared to the typical Omron switches used in most mice? I'm currently using a DA black edition but I want to go back to an ambi mouse... I've heard that the DA's side buttons were TTC but wasn't sure. If that's the case, I bet they would work fine for me on main buttons with a shorter travel distance.
They are, but I believe TTC offers multiple kinds of switches.


I kinda missed the whole "switches vs cable debate", but I would like to share my opinions.

As a semi competitive gamer, I would generally prefer higher quality switches. It isn't to say that the TTC switches aren't good (and I very well may like them), but it's no secret that the basic chinese made Omron's are preferred throughout the peripherals market due to their overall proven life expectancy. The average Joe might not know or care about mice, but they do know when they're having problems and while I understand that braided cables look cool, I do not see any benefits other than adding extra protection to what may seem like an already solid cable (I hope so ;o). There are a couple other factors I could throw on the table, but I feel those may just be preferences.

Again, these are just my opinions as a gamer. I have a pretty good understanding that Steelseries isn't as large as Logitech or Razer and cost have to be cut somewhere. While I'm not a fan of braided cables, they are indeed a good selling point to the "majority".
Edited by Skylit - 9/21/11 at 6:31pm
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Got a link?

EDIT: Unless you mean from my Mico review stating that I noticed something while swiping unrealistically fast trying to get the sensor to skip. If so that's not an issue at all.
sry i mistaked , i meant prediction. I wanna know if they are able to fix/limitate it. Not that a bit of prediction is so bad, especially if the amount is the same found in zowie mico. but hey, i will just wait for your review
Edited by Cek - 9/21/11 at 6:15am
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On the otherhand, I don't like tactile feel at all as it gives me finger joint pain. That's why I open them up and make them as soft as possible. After I swapped to linear switch keyboard, my keyboard finger pains were all gone. Hope they bring linear switches to mice too
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They are, but I believe TTC offers multiple kinds of switches.
I suppose I should have narrowed it down - can anyone compare the feel of the TTC switches on the Kinzu V1 compared to something with omrons, like the deathadder? I'm sure TTC does make multiple switches, but I would imagine the ones used in the Kinzu V1 would be the same used in the V2/Kana, unless TTC put out a new switch that was cost-effective in between those releases.

The lifetime of the switch doesn't bother me, and a lot of people on this forum might agree with me when I say this: Whether the switches are built for 3m, 5m, 7m or 10m clicks, they will probably outlast my use of the mouse because I will get bored of it, or want to look for something that fits me better. Haiiyaa and Derp probably know what I'm talking about - there are many mice, such as the DA I have now, which fulfill almost every requirement I have, but have one or two flaws that will eventually make me try another. This is why I have about 45 mice in my house. I'm quite excited for the Kana and Kinzu v2, but have no doubts that a while after I get one of them, I will try out the Kova+, some Mionix mice, and by then others might be out as well.
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can anyone compare the feel of the TTC switches on the Kinzu V1 compared to something with omrons, like the deathadder?
The Kinzu TTC switches are stiff and noisy. Omrons in the Deathadder, and other mice using the same standard switch, are light and quiet by comparison.
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IIRC the SS Ikari has TTC for mainbuttons too.
And the Laser version still cost more than 60€ here.
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