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will both the kana and kinzu v2 have side buttons? 1 or 2 side buttons? When can we expect pics and more info of these models? thanks

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The Omron switches are much better, they put the TTC's in a really bad light, especially after 6-12 months of use. The Omron's just hold up much longer. That's why many mouse manufacturers use Omrons on the main L&R buttons, and use TTC's elsewhere on the less-used buttons. Personally, I would want Omrons all the way around, for the best quality and longevity, and be more than happy to pay an extra $5-10 for the mouse, but that's not what most consumers would do; people want cheap.
Funny thing is, those switches cost almost nothing. And the difference in price is tiny. No where near 5-10$.
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TTC. Price point issue.

What price point issue? Is this really the price Kana will be released in EU? I mean Abyssus is like 30 pounds and has Omron, G400 also, even IMO 1.1 and 3.0 (10 years old mice) have Omron swithes. What are we talking about here? With 45 pounds you're in the DeathAdder range and that's a solid, flawless optical sensor, omron swithes, best mouse atm. If the price on amazon is wrong than i take it all back. If that's really the case then it's a big disappointment having TTC switches on a very expensive optical mouse. I understand you guys want to situate it between Kinzu and Sensei/Xai feature wise AND price wise, but you have to see my point of view (we were really hoping Kana will be the perfect mouse).

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Funny thing is, those switches cost almost nothing. And the difference in price is tiny. No where near 5-10$.
Exactly my point. The only reason i can think of is that Steelseries willingly chose not to include Omron just to make a big difference between Sensei and Kana (to justify the 80 pounds = 125$ price of Sensei most likely). On the other hand 5$ x 2 million mice sold ... imagine the profit
Edited by kaingosu - 9/18/11 at 3:50am
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I get Omron microswitches on eBay for around $2 each, delivered, to refurbish or upgrade mice. I don't know what the incremental cost is over TTC's, or even what microswitches cost an OEM, who is buying them in volume (as opposed to me, buying just a few as a hobbyist), but I would think it's only a few cents(?). A few cents more, multiplied by the number of buttons per mouse, still doesn't seem like it would add up to all that much. Those savings would have to be weighed against RMA's for switches that fail within the warranty period, AND against the loss of customers who aren't satisfied with the quality, when that happens. Once a mouse starts randomly double-clicking, or failing to register clicks, the mouse user will get VERY IRATE! Will that be a repeat customer? Really, a gaming mouse is more expensive than your typical office mouse and will be used more aggressively; one can reasonably expect it to have really good, durable switches. I've seen tons of comparatively inexpensive ($10-20) Logitech office mice that last 5+ years, and usually it's the cord that finally fails, almost never a failed Omron microswitch.
    
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Funny thing is, those switches cost almost nothing. And the difference in price is tiny. No where near 5-10$.
Think about the time to disassemble the mouse, desolder the old switch(es), solder in the new switch(es) (that you had to buy), reassemble the mouse, and probably replace the mousefeet (~$5). That's the reason I'd be happy to pay that much more, because the alternative is to just trash it and buy a whole new gaming mouse for $35-100.
    
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I get Omron microswitches on eBay for around $2 each, delivered, to refurbish or upgrade mice. I don't know what the incremental cost is over TTC's, or even what microswitches cost an OEM, who is buying them in volume (as opposed to me, buying just a few as a hobbyist), but I would think it's only a few cents(?).
That's exactly why i think this is a marketing strategy.
You want a good basic mouse -> Kinzu
Want a mouse with 5 buttons, pay more -> Kana
Want better quality switches and flashing lights, pay even more -> Sensei

Although the fact that Sensei is laser and has more customizable features was already difference enough, they could've added in omrons on Kana. We can only hope now for a PRO version of Kana (like Red Kinzu)

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Think about the time to disassemble the mouse, desolder the old switch(es), solder in the new switch(es) (that you had to buy), reassemble the mouse, and probably replace the mousefeet (~$5). That's the reason I'd be happy to pay that much more, because the alternative is to just trash it and buy a whole new gaming mouse for $35-100.
That's unacceptable. Atleast replacing mouse feet, as much as it is annoying, you won't avoid warranty. Disassembling the mouse to replace the switches is something i won't ever do. What worries me is the fact that you now how to pay 10-15$ more for high quality switches. Will we have to pay extra in the future for the mouse to have a sensor i wonder? 30$ for a mouse without a sensor ... want a sensor in your mouse? Pay extra $. Pathetic.
Edited by kaingosu - 9/18/11 at 7:45am
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So it's already confirmed that the Kana will use TTC for its left and right main buttons?
Are they really that bad? Or is "only" the longevity affected?
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TTC. Price point issue.
Pretty much confirmed. I can't speak for everyone, but they feel and sound really bad compared to Omron. If you have a Xai, the side buttons are TTC and i think when you press the scroll whell ... that's also TTC. Even the HUANO swtiches (whatever those are) on my A4tech feel and sound better than TTC. I don't know/own any mouse with TTC for left and rights buttons so i can't speak about longevity.
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So it's already confirmed that the Kana will use TTC for its left and right main buttons?
Are they really that bad? Or is "only" the longevity affected?
They are pretty hard to press and feel not very responsive.
I find it very cheap from Steelseries, whos mice usually cost more than comparable ones from razer and logitech to even stack them with inferior switches.
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They are pretty hard to press and feel not very responsive.
I find it very cheap from Steelseries, whos mice usually cost more than comparable ones from razer and logitech to even stack them with inferior switches.
razer made ttc popular... uknow, fromgamers4gamers
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