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The feedback I get from the QF Rapid just doesn't feel like what I've researched brown switches should feel like.

Many people feel the same way about browns as you do. These people often describe them as "scratchy reds".

I personally am on the other end of the spectrum and feel that browns have just enough feedback as to where I don't bottom out as much as I do on reds and can type a bit faster.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrybody is different.

If you want more feedback without the noise then you can delve deeper into the mech keyboard world and try to find some mx clears or "ergo" clears.
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Hello,
First post on this site. I've got a question about mechanical keyboards (the QuickFire Rapid specifically) and brown switches.
I own two boards right now, the Razer BlackWidow (blues) and the Quickfire Rapid (browns). I just purchased the QF Rapid a couple days ago because I wanted to avoid the loud clickiness of blues, but retain their feel.
The issue I'm having with my QF Rapid is that it has almost no tactical feedback to me. The keys push down really easy, and it feels to me like how folks describe red switches (really easy to push, linear, etc). I was expecting a blue feel with brown quiet, but instead it feels almost like a really light black switch board I tried in the past.
Is this normal for this keyboard? Is this how all browns feel? I'm basing my opinion on brown switches around this board, but from what I've read of how browns are supposed to feel, this is not right. However all the keys feel the same pressure-wise, and it is quieter than the blues. I can only feel the "bump" when pressing keys if I pay very close attention and press them very slowly. Otherwise, I never feel it during regular typing.
I average around 85 WPM so I am a decent typist speed-wise. Should I be able to feel the feedback on the browns better than this, or this is how they are?
Also, my P key craps out sometimes. I'm pretty sure that isn't normal. Anyone else's board do that?
Thanks for the input all.
-X
PS - I should state that I'm looking to get a keyboard that I love the feel of and that will last me many years. I don't want to go over $150 in price, so I've been looking at either the Black Widow 2013 Ultimate or a DAS Board. I almost bought a DAS, but instead went with the QF Rapid because I read it had very high build quality. So far, I would rate my Black Widow export board as better quality, and better feel. But, as I said, I'm wondering if I have a "normal" brown board. The feedback I get from the QF Rapid just doesn't feel like what I've researched brown switches should feel like.

I just got my Quickfire Rapid with browns today, and I have to admit, I feel pretty much exactly the same as you do. Definitely not as much tactical feedback as I was expecting... Also the larger keys (backspace, shift, space) rattle/wobble more than I expected..
I was considering the Filco Majestouch 2 with browns, but got the Quickfire since it was half the price and from reviews seemed to be almost as good. I assume the Filco would be no better in regards to how the switches themselves feel, since they'd use the exact same switches anyway? I guess I'll just have to decide if I want to go full-tactile (blues) or full-linear (red) next time, rather than trying to compromise...

Edit: Also, the + shape opening of the red WASD keys that came with the Quickfire seems to be cut too small, and they don't fit on the keyboard.. not a big deal, but still somewhat disappointing...
Edited by TarballX - 10/7/12 at 1:46pm
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Edit: Also, the + shape opening of the red WASD keys that came with the Quickfire seems to be cut too small, and they don't fit on the keyboard.. not a big deal, but still somewhat disappointing...

The red key caps can fit, but you have to push them harder down to get them level with the black key caps.
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The red key caps can fit, but you have to push them harder down to get them level with the black key caps.
Thanks, I'll have to try that later.. I just didn't want to use too much force putting them on because it came with a big warning saying not to push too hard when replacing the keycaps..

Also, I realize blue switches are louder, but do they have a more pronounced tactile bump as well?
Edited by TarballX - 10/7/12 at 8:09pm
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You might want to look a little closer buddy, they are clearly laser etched. Unless you got the older tawain non NA version.
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The red key caps can fit, but you have to push them harder down to get them level with the black key caps.
Thanks, I'll have to try that later.. I just didn't want to use too much force putting them on because it came with a big warning saying not to push too hard when replacing the keycaps..

Also, I realize blue switches are louder, but do they have a more pronounced tactile bump as well?

Edit: Also, what's up with CMStorm's website listing the keyboard as having "Laser-marked keycaps", when these are clearly painted on? I can feel the letters under my fingers and I just know in a month these will be wearing off.. Almost seems like false advertising.

The blues have more of a bump than browns. There is also a louder clicker noise.
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Light Tactile Switch: Cherry MX Brown

Actuation Force: 55cN
The Cherry Brown switches are about halfway between a typing and a gaming switch. Some people prefer them for gaming since it enables you to double tap faster. Unlike the black switches, the browns have a soft, tactile bump about half way through the key press. The MX Brown switches have a softer click when depressed and require less force to actuate than the blue switches. The Das Keyboard silent series utilizes Cherry MX Brown switches.

Clicky Switch: Cherry MX Blue

Actuation Force: 60cN
The blue switches are considered to be the best switch for typing because they have a “clicky” tactile bump when the activation point is hit. While many people prefer them for gaming, it is not as easy to double tap as other switches since the release point is above the actuation point. The standard “clicky” versions of Das Keyboards utilize Cherry MX Blue switches.


It seems that Coolermaster laser etched the keys and also filled it with colour filler.
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Laser Etching

A laser is used to burn the required character into the keycap, physically marking it, therefore impossible to wear off. This works best on light colored keys as it results in an image with a black burned color, but it works for black keys as well.
Many manufacturers, Das Keyboard included, fill the engraved area with colored filler in order to laser etch on a black plastic background and have the character standout. You can also feel the texture of the raised character on each key with this process. Watch the video below to see the laser etching process.
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As you can see, the blue switches have a much larger bump piece than the brown switches. Also observe the blue plunger and white slider piece are two separate pieces unlike browns, reds, blacks, clears, etc. That means you have to press the key down a bit before it actually starts to move that metal piece. Also compare the differences of blues and browns to red switches which are linear. Browns are closer to reds since the tactile bump is not very large.

You can read more here: http://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/?page_id=1458
Edited by Riou - 10/8/12 at 5:54am
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Thanks for the information. I removed the part about the key paint from my post so as to not mislead anyone. I just jumped to the conclusion that they were painted since I could feel the filler under my fingers, which I assumed was paint.
I am liking the keyboard more and more each time I come back to use it, perhaps I should have waited a while before posting my initial reaction. The browns aren't exactly what I expected, but since I had no way of trying a mechanical keyboard before buying, they aren't too bad for a first shot. (Micro Center, the only retail store that sells mechanical keyboards around here, doesn't have any out on display!) Maybe someday I'll try blues.
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You might want to look a little closer buddy, they are clearly laser etched. Unless you got the older tawain non NA version.

Which is what I have, and they keys are fading quickly.
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Thanks for the info guys. That helps me understand browns a little more. The thing that tipped me off the most actually was the moving .gif where the brown switch's bump was less pronounced than the blue. I've seen those before and just never noticed that the bump was less pronounced. Kinda a tiny thing to pick up on when looking at it, but until pointed out I just didn't notice. So, thanks for that.

@TarballX - now that I know more about the browns, I think that this is just how all browns would feel. I think they are very minimal tactile feedback and their only noise is the keys bottoming out. Which, I knew that last part, but I didn't' realize their "bump" would be so minute. The "tactile feedback" is pretty much going to be noticeable to someone coming from membrane or something like cherry reds or blacks, would be my guess. I'm going the other direction - I'm coming from blues to browns, so naturally they feel much less tactile and of course they aren't clicky like the blues.

So, all in all, I think that my worry about the QuickFire Rapid's keys not being very tactile is probably not something I should be worrying about. I think they really just are this way. I think going from blue to brown is what's throwing me off so much about the descriptions I've read about them. I just expected brown to be more tactile than it is, when in fact it is just a really light key compared to blue.

Like someone posted on here, "scratchy reds" would be how I'd describe them, but that's also (for me) based off of how I'd describe reds from other descriptions I've read of them, since I haven't personally used reds. smile.gif So it's an endless circle until I actually try reds!

I can say I have used browns, blues, and blacks now. I would say I like blues or blacks most (so far) because for me, the little bump in browns is so minute that when I do feel it, it makes me feel like the key is just being "pressed weird", or that it "stuttered" or something. I bottom out all the way when I type and I type better like that so I don't plan to try otherwise. That being the case, I am not sure browns fit the bill for what I'm looking for.

I may return the QuickFire Rapid and look into either another black board or possibly a red. I do like the light tough of the browns after using the board more, so I'm thinking I might like some reds due to no bump and just smooth fast typing. I will type with the board mostly, and I will game too, but I don't push keys errant enough that I'd worry about pressing keys wrong in games. Plus I'm no pro, so it doesn't matter when I do. tongue.gif

My experience with switches has been:
Blues - fun to type with, drives anyone around you crazy. Very tactile, the most of any I've tried.
Browns - not very tactile at all, a slighty "scratchy" feel or very minute "bump" felt when pushing keys slowly (in other words, not typing). Quieter than blues, light pressure actuates the key.
Blacks - Linear so no bump/scratch feel, stiffer than browns, probably would describe them as a blue key with no tactile feel or click. Bottoming out still makes loud clacks, which I like. smile.gif
Reds - haven't tried them yet so I don't know. I hope they are like browns, but even lighter with no scratch/feedback. Just a pure bottom-it-out, easy to press key.

I feel a red board purchase in my future. smile.gif Seems like browns are all the rage right now, and I guess after tying them they just don't suit my needs as much as I expected. Then again, who knows. Maybe after sticking with them for a week I'll be used to them and love them, but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by TarballX View Post

I just got my Quickfire Rapid with browns today, and I have to admit, I feel pretty much exactly the same as you do. Definitely not as much tactical feedback as I was expecting... Also the larger keys (backspace, shift, space) rattle/wobble more than I expected..
I was considering the Filco Majestouch 2 with browns, but got the Quickfire since it was half the price and from reviews seemed to be almost as good. I assume the Filco would be no better in regards to how the switches themselves feel, since they'd use the exact same switches anyway? I guess I'll just have to decide if I want to go full-tactile (blues) or full-linear (red) next time, rather than trying to compromise...
Edit: Also, the + shape opening of the red WASD keys that came with the Quickfire seems to be cut too small, and they don't fit on the keyboard.. not a big deal, but still somewhat disappointing...

Hey TarballX,

I did put the red arrow keys on mine just to see what they were like, and they did not "click" in place like the black keys did when I put them back on. However they were the right height, I just had to push them on there pretty snuggly. Also, make sure you're putting them on right (you probably are!), because I can see how it would be possible to face each key practically any direction and just smash it on, but I think that the etching is actually nearer the part of the key that makes "sense". For example, the top red arrow key would be near the top of that key, the bottom near the bottom, left near left, right near right, etc. I hope I'm not just making that more confusing. smile.gif

Hope that helps!
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