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Originally Posted by raging_clue View Post

Also, if a 240mm rad is pulling air in, it's getting cooler air washed across it first, meaning more efficient cooling IMO. Otherwise, you're pushing warmed up air across it that has already traveled through the warmth of the box. This might be the reason CPU temps were lower in the tests with that configuration...?

Yeah with a rad at the top, then the rad will be cooler getting the fresh air from out side of it (and giving lower CPU temps) but its going to push the heat over everything else. Id rather sacrafice a few degrees on the CPU to keep everything else cooler. Especially since I find a lot of boards now are too busy trying to look pretty then have good cooling on the VRMs.

Id say if you were to have the top fans intake in to the rad, then have the back fan be exhaust still. So it would pull some of the heat coming out of the rad out of the case before it gets down to the back of the vid card, and in to the HDDs.

Really depends on the whole system though. If you are using a Z68 with good VRM cooling, and using the onboard video, and dont have a ton of drives, then going for best CPU temps is all you really need to worry about. I have 7 HDDs, and SSD, video card, sound card, and a board with an ok VRM heatsink, but nothing great. And my 2500k runs cool enough, that a couple degrees isnt really going to matter. So when I get it all setup, Ill be intake front and side, exhaust top and rear.
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Originally Posted by CTM Audi View Post

Warm air rises, cool air sinks, and the warmest part of your case is going to be the top half of the mobo (not counting the vid card, cause that varies with all types of cards). So going intake at the top and back makes no sense to me, cause you would be going against physics, and pushing the heat from the top half of the mobo over everything else.


 I see your point but the numbers dont lie..  I felt the same as you when I head about the inversion of the Fans.  but it really works.. Maybe because the top fan is so big and pushes so much air.  But if you are running all air cool the heat will easily disipate from the Gill Grills with those fans pushing out.  I know there is the Thermodynamics but in this case we need to think of a combination of Hydro Dynamics and controlled air current.  I don't know why it works, it just does.

 



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Also, if a 240mm rad is pulling air in, it's getting cooler air washed across it first, meaning more efficient cooling IMO. Otherwise, you're pushing warmed up air across it that has already traveled through the warmth of the box. This might be the reason CPU temps were lower in the tests with that configuration...?

Yeah with a rad at the top, then the rad will be cooler getting the fresh air from out side of it (and giving lower CPU temps) but its going to push the heat over everything else. Id rather sacrafice a few degrees on the CPU to keep everything else cooler. Especially since I find a lot of boards now are too busy trying to look pretty then have good cooling on the VRMs.

Id say if you were to have the top fans intake in to the rad, then have the back fan be exhaust still. So it would pull some of the heat coming out of the rad out of the case before it gets down to the back of the vid card, and in to the HDDs.

Really depends on the whole system though. If you are using a Z68 with good VRM cooling, and using the onboard video, and dont have a ton of drives, then going for best CPU temps is all you really need to worry about. I have 7 HDDs, and SSD, video card, sound card, and a board with an ok VRM heatsink, but nothing great. And my 2500k runs cool enough, that a couple degrees isnt really going to matter. So when I get it all setup, Ill be intake front and side, exhaust top and rear.


Yes.. With my set up I  am pulling cool air over my Corsair 100 Radiator on the top.  It seems to be working well that way.


 

 

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So anybody knows if a 58mm radiator (rx240) will fit in the top in a push config?
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So anybody knows if a 58mm radiator (rx240) will fit in the top in a push config?

I don't think it's possible. 58mm is more than twice the thickness of the H100 rad. The H100 in push pull (which absolutely didn't fit for me due to the RAM slots and mobo heatsinks) did not fit, so I'm pretty sure yours won't fit either.

So, the two fans plus the width of the H100 rad = 25+25+27 = 77mm
One set of fans plus your radiator would be 25+58 = 83mm

It won't fit up top.

However, I was pretty impressed with just how many options you have for mounting radiators in this case, provided you aren't confined to fixed length tubing.
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So anybody knows if a 58mm radiator (rx240) will fit in the top in a push config?

I think if you use the 58 with fans on the top of the case and super thin 120s below you would be able to do it...  Maybe...I will get you a picture of my corsair in that config..

 

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post #646 of 12398
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I think if you use the 58 with fans on the top of the case and super thin 120s below you would be able to do it...  Maybe...I will get you a picture of my corsair in that config..

I was probably about 5-10mm short of being able to place my push/pull H100 on the inside of the top of the case. So, I'm estimating there is probably about 67-72mm of room there for 120x240 setups. Of course, this will vary depending on the motherboard and its heatsinks as well as the RAM slots maybe.

With a 58mm rad in this case with my mobo, I'm thinking I would have to have fans of a thickness between 9mm and 14mm in order to fit the rad and pushing fans inside the case. However, that's all based on approximations and a motherboard that is probably different as well.

As far as what can mount on top of the case, I just went with one 120mm to the rear of the handle bracket; you can probably fit other smaller thinner fans forward of that, but I didn't try. That handle bracket is smack dab in the middle of a very crucial area, and I can't see a way of relocating it somewhere more useful. I'm not going to complain though, I love that handle on such a heavy case. It's been a godsend so far.
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Thanks for that, think i'll still go with this case though, should be able to fit 2 fans above the top for a pull configuration. Just another question, is there room for a 120 radiator, again 58mm thick i suppose at the rear exhaust fan? With a normal size fan to push air through?
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Thanks for that, think i'll still go with this case though, should be able to fit 2 fans above the top for a pull configuration. Just another question, is there room for a 120 radiator, again 58mm thick i suppose at the rear exhaust fan? With a normal size fan to push air through?

As far as the rear for a 120, yeah I think you should be fine. You could even do a 140 if you can find one.

Also, there are other possible locations for a 240mm. Not sure how well it would fit mounted to the drive bay brackets or side panel, but those areas might be worth investigating if you want to go with nothing smaller than 240x120x58. Not sure the drive bay mounts for the 240 would allow a rad that thick and fans though.
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post #649 of 12398
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Originally Posted by unimatrixzero View Post



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Originally Posted by Labze View Post

So anybody knows if a 58mm radiator (rx240) will fit in the top in a push config?

I think if you use the 58 with fans on the top of the case and super thin 120s below you would be able to do it...  Maybe...I will get you a picture of my corsair in that config..

 


Here is a good picture of the space you have on the top of the mobo.

 


IMG_2534.jpg

 IMG_2522.jpg



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I think if you use the 58 with fans on the top of the case and super thin 120s below you would be able to do it...  Maybe...I will get you a picture of my corsair in that config..

I was probably about 5-10mm short of being able to place my push/pull H100 on the inside of the top of the case. So, I'm estimating there is probably about 67-72mm of room there for 120x240 setups. Of course, this will vary depending on the motherboard and its heatsinks as well as the RAM slots maybe.

With a 58mm rad in this case with my mobo, I'm thinking I would have to have fans of a thickness between 9mm and 14mm in order to fit the rad and pushing fans inside the case. However, that's all based on approximations and a motherboard that is probably different as well.

As far as what can mount on top of the case, I just went with one 120mm to the rear of the handle bracket; you can probably fit other smaller thinner fans forward of that, but I didn't try. That handle bracket is smack dab in the middle of a very crucial area, and I can't see a way of relocating it somewhere more useful. I'm not going to complain though, I love that handle on such a heavy case. It's been a godsend so far.


yea.. I was concidering finding a 92 mm fan for under the strap as a push. 

 

But in a perfect world This mod would benefit.

 


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Edited by unimatrixzero - 12/9/11 at 11:59am
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post #650 of 12398
Thanks unimatrixzero, seems like it'll be a tight fit even with no fans attached, i use the P7P55D-E Pro mothermoard and theres a heatsink at top, do you think itll be in the way? Pic: http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/reviews/motherboards/P7P55D-E/ASUS_P7P55D-E_Pro_Motherboard_North_Bridge_34_01.jpg

If theres space, im thinking i could attach the RX240 at top, mount the fans under the top and make them push air inside the case, then mount a RX120 with a fan exhausting over it, eventually add a RX240 at the bottum later. That is, if theres room for a thich radiator at the exhaust.
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