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You are partially right, that will be an interesting time... Though, i'm going to have to invest in a phase changer before my next cpu/chipset upgrade...

Where you are wrong... 290x and 290 will NOT have a crossfire bridge. It will all be done over the PCIE bus. This is why i'm questioning if the usefulness of PLX chips will increase.

of course PLX bridges will be more popular. A x8 PCIe 3.0 link has a max bandwidth of about 8 GB/s (985 MB/s per lane). I have never once said here that the newest generation cards have a crossfire bridge, I don't get why you keep quoting me when I didn't say anything of the sort in my quote. Dual x16 slots will be a must, and all I'm saying is PCIe 4.0 will again double the bandwidth to 32 GB/s for the same width slot as PCIe 3.0 x16

The bus will become saturated with newer generation cards. Rendering and realism is increasing, if you watched any of the nvidia Montreal conference this week. Games will use more bandwidth while incorporating these features, graphics cards will then need to output higher bandwidth to accommodate the games requirements, and the bus will need to be able to keep up amd support all this increased transfer of data. How do you think all this works? They've able to do crossfire through the bus since PCIe 3.0 was released, but just haven't?
   
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Hello there CMSTSSC, I just got my Stryker last week and have set it up and got everything working. I want to ask, does anyone know any white 5.25" Card Readers that would look nice on the stryker? I am also planning to get an NZXT Hale90 850W PSU. If anyone has any experience with that PSU I would love to know. And last question, red or blue fans?
shilka would be the guru to ask about the psu.
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of course PLX bridges will be more popular. A x8 PCIe 3.0 link has a max bandwidth of about 8 GB/s (985 MB/s per lane). I have never once said here that the newest generation cards have a crossfire bridge, I don't get why you keep quoting me when I didn't say anything of the sort in my quote. Dual x16 slots will be a must, and all I'm saying is PCIe 4.0 will again double the bandwidth to 32 GB/s for the same width slot as PCIe 3.0 x16

The bus will become saturated with newer generation cards. Rendering and realism is increasing, if you watched any of the nvidia Montreal conference this week. Games will use more bandwidth while incorporating these features, graphics cards will then need to output higher bandwidth to accommodate the games requirements, and the bus will need to be able to keep up amd support all this increased transfer of data. How do you think all this works? They've able to do crossfire through the bus since PCIe 3.0 was released, but just haven't?
seriously? where do you find this info, please share i would love to see somewhere amd said you need "___________" for CFX. as far as i know they have not. which would mean you are guessing.

current gen cards do not saturate pcie2.0 x16 ( maybe 1 or 2 IE 690, 7990, and maybe titan? {dont know dont use nor want to use nvidia }) so..... how do you know it wont work with pcie2.0?
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Hello there CMSTSSC, I just got my Stryker last week and have set it up and got everything working. I want to ask, does anyone know any white 5.25" Card Readers that would look nice on the stryker? I am also planning to get an NZXT Hale90 850W PSU. If anyone has any experience with that PSU I would love to know. And last question, red or blue fans?

we had a conversation about PSUs about 2-4 pages ago
   
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i'm not getting into an amd debate here...All's i know is it's something they have been working on in secret for quite some time as a solution for fixing crossfire & crossfire+eyefinity. It's basically proof that the problem isn't just bad drivers.

More data = more bandwidth needed... I think we all understand that. As of rite now in high end benches plx chip is only showing ~1%+ difference in 3.0 8x, and that's only in tri-sli/fire+ situations last I checked.
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i'm not getting into an amd debate here...All's i know is it's something they have been working on in secret for quite some time as a solution for fixing crossfire & crossfire+eyefinity. It's basically proof that the problem isn't just bad drivers.

More data = more bandwidth needed... I think we all understand that. As of rite now in high end benches plx chip is only showing ~1%+ difference in 3.0 8x, and that's only in tri-sli/fire+ situations last I checked.

really ? are you a programer now too? the funny thing is i and several others have NO issues with either crossfire or cfx + eyefinity. the "microstuttering" you are referring to but not mentioning ( at least with the "damaged/broken" CFX ) is due to using 2 gpus, even nvidia has this "issue" however they cover it with in their drivers. not saying amd does not have work. but adding a third and even a fourth card "fixes" it the cards run fine. and unless you have proof, well then....


as for eyefinity
well when nvidia has a solution that is anywhere near as awesome as eyefinity, we can talk till then even with few minor hicups i would say well....amd is doing fine.

making completely new tech ( not talking about gpus ) and completely running around the competition, yes just fine.

the cool thing is amd is just doing what they always have.... lets not forget amd did make 64bit, and guess what. it changed the world, i will trust amd knows what they are doing, and unless you can show me other wise that everything will work just fine
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not the place, and i will not discuss these things with some one who is already getting angry. redface.gif By as awesome as eyefinity do you mean 5 screens? Iv'e been their & done that, was extremely over rated, and killed my competitive edge in games... Too much bezel.

I guess the note inside my catalyst about pacing & stuttering only being fixed on dx11 games & under x/y resolution is a lie.

I'm just going off of what AMD has been forced to admit after being exposed by pcper.

-end. I see what i'm getting my self into, and backing out now. Yes, I realize it isnt an issue for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not an issue for allot of people. I switched to triple screen & titans from 5 screen & 6970's(with a few gpu's in between)

(why you acting so mad bro, it's unbecoming of you)
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Does anyone know where I can buy a Gamdias Zeus E-SPORTGMS in the US online? NCIX.com is the only place I've found that has them and they've been out of stock for weeks. It's a brand new mouse and hard to find.

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not the place, and i will not discuss these things with some one who is already getting angry. redface.gif By as awesome as eyefinity do you mean 5 screens? Iv'e been their & done that, was extremely over rated, and killed my competitive edge in games... Too much bezel.

I guess the note inside my catalyst about pacing & stuttering only being fixed on dx11 games & under x/y resolution is a lie.

I'm just going off of what AMD has been forced to admit after being exposed by pcper.

-end. I see what i'm getting my self into, and backing out now. Yes, I realize it isnt an issue for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not an issue for allot of people. I switched to triple screen & titans from 5 screen & 6970's(with a few gpu's in between)

(why you acting so mad bro, it's unbecoming of you)

i am sorry you think i am mad, i am not. i am just laughing as you claim to know so much yet in reality you dont know anything more then the rest of us
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sad-smiley-002.gif idk what you are talking about, you may have me confused with that other guy who was spouting off(1509). The only thing I have claimed to know are my own experiences with quad fire 6970's & 5 monitors, & what my now only single 6970 + bulldozer tower's catalyst is reporting, & a reminder of what was widely exposed by PCPER oh, and an assumption that since they are moving to bridgeless crossfire w/ the evolution of GCN it means the problems experienced by many on Tahiti may have something to do with hardware, not just drivers.

Though, as per usual, if bridgeless xfire is successful NV will rip it, dump billions into it, & make it their own...

I hold 1,000 AMD shares, i too agree they are doing just fine, though I do plan to dump them as soon/if they surge to ~10$ after the roll out of hawaii, that's only because I like making money, nothing against AMD. 1,000 shares purchased @ 2.50 each, dump @ or around 10$ = good profit.
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