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post #11 of 79
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Originally Posted by Skar;14773761 
No, i dont think it will have D2F-01F switches, more lle D2FC-F-7N and if you are lucky an ALPS mechanical rotary encoder.
If I stumble upon one I probably need to buy to check :/

@filco: come to the dark side, topre is calling you ^^
p.s.: are those upe or teflon mouse feet?

I can't tell you if it's indeed 100% teflon. All I'm capable to tell you about them is what I provided in the review (though if had to guess I'd say pure teflon since it glides really smoothly). And sorry for not being able to answer your questions about the switches, if you happen to open one before me please let me know.


@filco: Well, I really wanted that RealForce all-45g uniform but it has just evaporated from elitekeyboards! Plus, I'm still not prepared to spend $300+ in a keyboard tongue.gif (and I'm already waiting others to arrive so I got my hands full for the next months at least).
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Well, as it turns out, I cant feel **** if the tracking is bad. Been using 32 firmware at 500hz and 800dpi and thought everything was fine. Still do.

But a very good review nontheless. Need more of this quality!
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Great job F u r u y á!

You showed excellent conclusions based on empirical testing and integrated common topics that were brought up in the many threads regarding the Spawn.

This will be my go-to thread for anything related to the Spawn.

(Which mouse is next?)
post #14 of 79
Did you find the perfect control speed to be higher with firmware 30a?
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Excellent review, F u r u y á!
Hard to think of something that you could have done better.

What I really like about it that you kind of scientifically analysed the technical performance even though most of the technical "flaws" prolly wouldn't be noticeable in-game for any sane human. Well, there might also be differences between people as to how sensitive they are to such things... Speaking for myself, I have found quite a few "flaws" in mice via doing these graphs that I otherwise would have never noticed. Yet, I still wanna know about all of them simply out of interest for the technology.

http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-176122-1-1.html
might enlighten about the buttons and such.

Do you own an A9500-based mouse? I think a A9500 vs. A3090 comparison on the same stellar level would be the next awesome thing (still trying to find the positive accel myself...). First you might, however, also still want to savour the credit for the great job you have just done before embarking on the next wink.gif
post #16 of 79
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@Limniscate
I tested only 31 and 32, with different mousepads. When I saw that the resutls were the same even with different firmware and different mousepads I stoped testing it since as you could see there were a loooot of other things yet to be tested. I'd guess that the PCS will be the same with 30a, but only after testing we can be 100% sure.

@Kragarmendes and Swaggerfeld
Unfortunately I don't have a A9500-based mouse. If you send me the mice I can test them biggrin.gif

And yeah, that's exactly what it is Kragarmendes! Probably the sane human won't notice some of the technical flaws verified (eg. the instability at 500Hz), and those tests were taken for pure interest for the technology!

From a quick view of that (comprehensive!) chinese review, I couldn't determine whether the scroll wheel is optical or not. I saw that it's "ALPS" so I suppose it is mechanical? The switches were indeed D2FC-F-7N, as Skar called.
post #17 of 79
Excellent review! I have also been very happy, using my Spawn at 800 cpi and 500 Hz polling rate, and my Spawn has no discernible jitter, and yes, I tried different lmovement speeds in the jitter-test. I noticed you got some inconsistencies in the polling rate, that it was not as steady, and that some reports had more counts, due to a longer interval, and some reports had less counts, due to a shorter interval. To me, this indicates that the mouse is tracking correctly, and that no movement data is lost, it is only a question of the report rate fluctuating. This may or may not be the mouse's fault, it could also be an issue in the computer, chipset/USB, background task, etc. causing a delay. The mouselogger records down to 0.1 ms, but you are showing whole ms numbers(?); just wondering if you rounded up or down anywhere. On my comp (Gigabyte P45 chipset based, but happen to be using a PCI-USB add-on card, with NEC chip), I get a solid 500 Hz (2.0 ms) report rate for long periods of time on the recorder, as long as the mouse is kept moving, only rarely with an extra 0.1 ms (meaning 2.1 ms) or less 0.1 ms (meaning 1.9 ms), but never ever hitting a full 3+ ms, unless I stop moving the mouse. Just saying, your polling rate deviations might be computer related. I'd love to see how your Abyssus fares on your computer, if the report rate shows similar variations or if it is steadier or less steady? Please note, I am not criticizing your work, you've done a great job on the review, and I'd like to see you do more mice at this level of detail, only suggesting to keep an open mind about where the variations might be coming from.
    
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post #18 of 79
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Any criticisms are welcomed ElectricDelta.

Actually that's a good point about the polling rate fluctuation. I do have some Abyssus plot and some indeed has that fluctuation in polling, but at 500Hz it's pretty solid (starting on page 31 of Skylit thread you can see more plots I took from Abyssus). But what I highlighted in the review was the fluctuation in the Counts, which might give jitter or other undesirable behavior. The small fluctuation in polling is less harmful I think (as long as the average doesn't deviate from what it should be). To be clear: what I've highlighted in the review was the fact that the Counts fluctuated whilst the polling rate remained stable ("instant jitter").

Yes, the numbers shown in axes are rounded, just for sake of readability.

It's good that you brought up that discussion. I might make some tests in a netbook just to see how differently will it behave.
post #19 of 79
Great thorough and professional review.
Been looking for a decent mouse, so the more reviews the better.
(+rep my measly rep that is biggrin.gif)

That said think I will stay with Razer or get a Logitech since I am a palmer wink.gif
Edited by RaYYaN - 8/31/11 at 5:20pm
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post #20 of 79
I felt like I was back in college reading the review biggrin.gif (and that's a good thing!)

do you feel that you have a little more trouble picking up the spawn compared to the abyssus? because that's my only thing keeping from picking up the spawn instead of the abyssus at the moment. I tried my brother's, and I love how short the buttons of the spawn are, but the wide-grip makes lifting it feel a bit awkward. the abyssus is at least narrower, and from one pic in another topic, it looks no wider than a kinzu (whose shape is well-received). furthermore, it's also lighter..
Edited by subgenoa - 9/1/11 at 5:57am
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