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If you also notice, this rig is running an Audigy 2 ZS.

Not the X-Fi.

The X-Fi machine is down, and normally runs the Xonar anyways. Since I care about SQ and not the EAX support. (Which is also why I upgraded to an Essence STX from a D2X.)

That machine runes Windows 7 (since I only have 1 key for it.)
Ah, well regardless I need to upgrade to something better than my current sound card and this sound card coming seems like the best deal for me

Current Sound Card
24bit/192KHz Sample Range 100Hz-20kHz SNR 97dB(70-80 in 24bit/192kHz)
and probably piss poor DACs and ADCs

Upgraded my headphones from something that did 20Hz-20kHz
to 15hz-34kHz and you can definitely tell something is wrong with my current sound card
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Any reviews? Quad core thing seems like a big gimmick to me, I want to know the numbers.
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Asus, Sennheiser, HT Omega, just counting ones on Newegg that make quality kit. A couple dozen entry level offerings. Not to mention Realtek.


They mean that makes the APU. A lot of those cards use Creative chips. Some don't, there are at least two other chipsets which are quite popular though
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post #114 of 140
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Ah, well regardless I need to upgrade to something better than my current sound card and this sound card coming seems like the best deal for me
I'd wait till some good reviews come out. I know I enjoy the X-Fi Fatal1ty Champion (I got it for the front bay), but in terms of raw sound quality; Asus's Xonar line is some of the stiffest competition and still lets you use EAX (though it's buggy sometimes.)

On the other hand, I've yet to try HT | Omega cards, which are supposed to be out of this world in sound quality. They just don't have all the fancy features. It's like buying an internal DAC pretty much.

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Any reviews? Quad core thing seems like a big gimmick to me, I want to know the numbers.
Audigy 4 had a quad core design. It's not a gimmick, but it is marketing fluff.
They're making something that's already gonna be at least good, sound amazing.
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Standard motherboard soundcards of today have no actual audio processing chip, so all the work is done in emulation by your processor. Dedicated soundcards have dedicated audio processing chips, so they not only sound better and produce higher quality audio signals, but also offload the processing that the CPU would do normally.
^ this.

However...

As if I'm really needing those cycles back on my 2600k.

On-board sound has increased tremendously from ages past. Sound card DAC technology hasn't.

What I want to know is how much DAC technology has improved since... I retired my Ensoniq Soundscape Elite, for instance...

Then again I guess some people just have the need to throw thousands into their surround sound systems for their computer. Of course, if you're not throwing thousands of dollars of audio hardware at these cards, will you even notice a difference? Probably not.
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post #116 of 140
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Ah, well regardless I need to upgrade to something better than my current sound card and this sound card coming seems like the best deal for me

Current Sound Card
24bit/192KHz Sample Range 100Hz-20kHz SNR 97dB(70-80 in 24bit/192kHz)
and probably piss poor DACs and ADCs

Upgraded my headphones from something that did 20Hz-20kHz
to 15hz-34kHz and you can definitely tell something is wrong with my current sound card
oh deary me...

You totally misunderstand audio specifications and what they actually mean.
If you actually want proper assessment of a soundcard's quality, the best (but not only measurement) is IM(D) (Intermodulation distortion, known as IM or IMD for short). As with most consumer listed specs, they mean nothing if you know what they actually mean, including frequency response, as you can only listen from 20Hz - 20-21kHz. Most music is really between 30Hz - 14kHz. Frequency response graphs read properly tells you far more about how a headphone is going to sound like, with square wave graphs telling you the accuracy of the driver.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 9/5/11 at 7:34pm
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^ this.

However...

As if I'm really needing those cycles back on my 2600k.

On-board sound has increased tremendously from ages past. Sound card DAC technology hasn't.

What I want to know is how much DAC technology has improved since... I retired my Ensoniq Soundscape Elite, for instance...

Then again I guess some people just have the need to throw thousands into their surround sound systems for their computer. Of course, if you're not throwing thousands of dollars of audio hardware at these cards, will you even notice a difference? Probably not.
Far from the truth. DAC technology has improved, although not at the rate of consumer computer products and the biggest progression is lower costing DACs, not so much actual technological progression. Also a great DAC chip is crap if it isn't properly implemented. But tbh, it won't be a problem with large companies like Creative and Asus.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 9/5/11 at 7:31pm
post #118 of 140
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Far from the truth. DAC technology has improved, although not at the rate of consumer computer products and the biggest progression is lower costing DACs, not so much actual technological progression. Also a great DAC chip is crap if it isn't properly implemented. But tbh, it won't be a problem with large companies like Creative and Asus.
Far from the truth? You think you can accurately gauge the sound quality of different modern cards DACs with your ears? Without a reference quality system? I'm certain you wouldn't hear any difference on any mass produced consumer "all-in-one box" system.

My point was, it hardly matters.
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depends on reference material used tbh. As I said, it depends more on the implementation of the DAC than the quality of the DAC chip itself. Both are factors but implementation is more key. A lot of modern headphones have distortion levels below a soundcard for example.
post #120 of 140
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It's like when Intel or AMD put's out a new Quad Core CPU. They've got a new design, new features, etc.
sooo... does that mean they hired Daniel_K, or did the intel thing where you pay for the same thing with less stuff turned off like they have in the past, or is it like when AMD put out the 6 core with the same(ish) K10's or the upcoming bulldozer with 2 K10's per Logic unit? Or maybe, still no changes to the DSP other than die-shrink?

So far in creatives history they have made this ( not particularly THIS one, but the one from the SB2-XFI? ) same 4 DSP chip, and just allowed the driver to let it process some things based on how much $$'s your card cost. This feels liek that with a nifty little heatsink looking thing on the card. Theres also some circuitry changes, but for processing I dont see that being all too important to this 4 core dsp.
Edited by Xinoxide - 9/5/11 at 8:11pm
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