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Ok guys this is my first time building a silent rig, I've only built loud ones. I'm building this so he can play World of Warcraft and keep it hidden under his bed on hardwood floors. I already told him you're probably gonna have to dust it out more than what most people would cause of the location. Also he knows its not gonna max it out. At this point we wanna see how it performs on medium settings with the onboard video before we look into a discrete card with an aftermarket cooler.

On to the build:

Western Digital Green 500GB

Biostar A880G+ AM3

Gskill Ripjaw DDR3 2x4GB

AMD Athlon II X4 640

Silverstone HTPC Case

Antec BP550 PSU 550W

The case fans can be changed out to quieter ones. Reviews say that they are already quiet but that is subjective so we will have to see if they need to be changed out when we buy it.

If push comes to shove for replacement case fans I was looking at these

Scythe SY1225SL12L 120mm "Slipstream" Case Fan x3

I also need a cpu heatsink since I'm assuming the stock one is pretty loud like my other amd build for its purpose

The reason for the quad core and 8gigs is if he decides to upgrade it they wont be as big of a bottle neck for a future video card.
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why not? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103921

the only cooler that comes to my mind is this

it does the job

..... but what is the question?
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Originally Posted by Reload_X View Post
If i could get any recommendations on keeping this about 20-30ish dB.

Also didn't see that one thanks.
Edited by matty0610 - 9/12/11 at 9:24am
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I'm building this so he can play World of Warcraft and keep it hidden under his bed on hardwood floors... At this point we wanna see how it performs on medium settings with the onboard video before we look into a discrete card with an aftermarket cooler.

On to the build:

Western Digital Green 500GB

Biostar A880G+ AM3

Gskill Ripjaw DDR3 2x4GB

AMD Athlon II X4 640

Silverstone HTPC Case

Antec BP550 PSU 550W
This system will not give a pleasant WoW experience.

If you want to go AMD and use integrated graphics, then go with an A8 series APU, not an Athlon II. The APU uses the FM1 CPU socket.

Also, when using integrated graphics, may be worth getting a bit faster system RAM. Seriously, DDR3-1066 is fail. At least sprint the extra $10 for a DDR3-1600 kit. Make sure the kit is 1.5v.

Do not use a WD Green drive. Those make great storage drives, but horrible Windows and WoW drives. If that's all that is going on the drive, find some cheap 60GB SSD. That will fit Windows and WoW, with room to spare. It will be noiseless and will even improve the WoW experience by making load bars just fly, plus fewer of those graphics hitching as you traverse the environment (WoW loads stuff on the fly as needed).

Something needs to be done with the case choice and/or placement. Dust will either cause the system to overheat, or cause the fans to rattle and thus become really noisy. No matter how quiet and nice it runs, it WILL NOT STAY THAT WAY in that case and under the bed. Why under the bed? Was it to mute sound? To reclaim desk space?

Here would be my proposed build:

AMD A8-3850 $140
It is like the fastest Athlon II quad core, but with much better power management and essentially a Radeon 5570 (400 cores) built-in.

ASRock A75M-ITX $95
Motherboard for the CPU, mini ITX for space savings and still has a PCIe slot for future graphics upgrades.

Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 1.5v $50
This is the minimum memory speed I would recommend for the FM1 platform when using the integrated graphics.

OCZ Vertex Plus 60GB SSD $60 (after $10 rebate)
This is just an example. It is really slow for an SSD, but still faster than even a VelociRaptor for most tasks. It is probably based on the old Indilinx controller, but at least all the bugs have been worked out of it. 60GB will be enough for Windows 7 (15GB) and WoW (15GB). Sizes are after installed updates are deleted (check your WoW folder, many gigs of stuff can be deleted).

Silverstone SUGO SG06 $120
Amazon and Newegg are same price, but Amazon has free shipping while Newegg charges $20 shipping. This case will give decent airflow and allow a graphics card upgrade in the future. It also is small, so it can fit on just about any desk. The SG06 model is quieter than the SG05. Comes with an 80PLus certified 300W PSU.

Arctic Cooling AF12PWM $10
120mm low RPM PWM fan to replace the stock Silverstone fan. The motherboard has two PWM headers (CPU and case fan) so may as well use it to control the fan. This fan can run as low as 300RPM and uses fluid bearings.

Scythe Kozuti or Scythe Shuriken heatsink $40
Maybe the Big Shuriken will work too. These are better and quieter than stock AMD coolers.

$515 total

Such a setup will be small, quiet, perform better than the Athlon II with 880G chipset graphics and if placed on desk will not clog up as fast with dust.
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I'd like to second the GeminII S.

I switched from the stock PhenomII fan to the GemenII S and it is extremely quiet in comparison to the stock fan. The AMD installation was a bit finicky though and I had to remove the motherboard from the tray even though there was a cutout to swap the backplate. It's kinda large for a "low profile" heat sync so depending on your motherboard layout it could block slot 1 for your ram but for me as long as I installed the ram first I could get it in slot 1, if you're running low profile ram you should be fine.

Last time I checked, the system idle'd at 19-21C and 45C was the highest temp it hit while running prime95. Fan usually spun at 1300rpm and 1700 under load. It's long gone though, sold it to a buddy after my psu claimed the life of the mobo. I'm not sure if it's the quietest but it was well worth the money I spent on it.
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I'm building this so he can play World of Warcraft and keep it hidden under his bed on hardwood floors.
you are going to have a serious dust and heat problem. how "hidden" does it have to be? is he hiding it from parents? cuz hiding under the bed is not going to work very well. that's like the goto place when parents want to see what you are hiding... it would be better if he employed some kind of hiding in plain sight techniques like a FT03 or a GD06 so it can blend in with stereo equipment. maybe look into an all in one computer where it can act as a TV.

if the machine MUST be placed under the bed, then the cost goes up dramatically since you are now looking at a custom liquid solution to transport the heat away from the computer.
post #8 of 9
zap's build is very good, but i think hes wrong with the ram, he wont see a lot of improvemet with that ram, go for cheaper, i dont think case fans need to be replaced, what needs to be replaced is cpu cooler,
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zap's build is very good, but i think hes wrong with the ram, he wont see a lot of improvemet with that ram, go for cheaper
I think you're wrong with saying I'm wrong. I would agree with you if we're talking about using a discrete graphics card or using some other IGP, but Llano (AMD APUs) eats up memory bandwidth. That platform even officially supports 1866 RAM! And it isn't as if $50 is expensive for 8GB RAM. Well, except the price is now $60. Still, doesn't have to be that exact RAM kit, but just go for at least 1600MHz.
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