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LOL @ this secret rosh.

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Originally Posted by Dimaggio1103 View Post

Like this?

Good Match

Bad Match


The bad one I actually though I supported rather well. However still go flamed when we lost. Compliments durring though. lol

I swear im missing some fundamentals.

Just finished watching that "good game" few points that are somewhat apparent

1) While i love having agressive people on my team you were terrible at taking last hits in first 10 minutes. At minute ~8 you have 12/x while pretty much on uncontested lane where no one ganks alch who's fighting for his life there has same amount. Don't be so scared of that early accid spray and get those last hits, you missed quite a bit of gold early game due to this. In general work on last-hit maths too (both under tower and normally)

2) No need to go for people that were 100% kills already at ~10-20% hp under AA's ult your teammates were right by you and would finish those , you missed quite a bit of kills in such manner

3) Should be with team more, most apprent point probably was when they were pushing bot-rax and you were farming ancients

4) Don't try to go for sniper when you don't have dust/gem , many times Shadow Shaman was right there besides him and with your ult / shadow blade he'd be an easy food for you

5) Your ult use just for getting speed many times was also questionable. Against alche unless you hear him activate his stun countdown and noone is near there, no need for ulting too
Edited by jellybeans69 - 7/12/14 at 8:54am
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#1 problem/issue with noobs is Lack of map awareness, I didnt check out your matches but this is Such a big deal, know whos on the map and where and what they can do (from their team and yours) if they're all miss, are they strong enough to rosh?, if not are you out far enough to gank, or are the strong enough to tower dive for you [or your carry(s)] try and figure out where they're going to gank and either pull back or counter gank

Surprisingly my map awareness is pretty darn good. I got that from playing FPS completely.

I had a very interesting game last night. I played BH and went an atrocious 10-10 despite that fact I feel I played rather well. My team was worse than the enemy team yet we pulled off a win. We were down kills, but up in gold thanks to my tagging. We were behind so bad at first. But by roaming and ganking the weaker ones by myself, and us playing a smart strat in the end, they had no counter and lost. Check it out and let me know how I could have improved if you wish, or watch they reply for a good laugh. Simply amazing game. biggrin.gif

Great game

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Just finished watching that "good game" few points that are somewhat apparent

1) While i love having agressive people on my team you were terrible at taking last hits in first 10 minutes. At minute ~8 you have 12/x while pretty much on uncontested lane where no one ganks alch who's fighting for his life there has same amount. Don't be so scared of that early accid spray and get those last hits, you missed quite a bit of gold early game due to this. In general work on last-hit maths too (both under tower and normally)

2) No need to go for people that were 100% kills already at ~10-20% hp under AA's ult your teammates were right by you and would finish those , you missed quite a bit of kills in such manner

3) Should be with team more, most apprent point probably was when they were pushing bot-rax and you were farming ancients

4) Don't try to go for sniper when you don't have dust/gem , many times Shadow Shaman was right there besides him and with your ult / shadow blade he'd be an easy food for you

5) Your ult use just for getting speed many times was also questionable. Against alche unless you hear him activate his stun countdown and noone is near there, no need for ulting too

Thanks man will do! if you don't mind watching the other posted here in this post and critique that as well. I know I made some bad ones there too, even though it turned out good.
Edited by Dimaggio1103 - 7/12/14 at 9:21am
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Also

Both boots and poormanshield can be completely bought/completed in side-shop wink.gif
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Fnatic vs C9 featuring a Pudge, and a cliff jungling Prophet.

Report both.
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just had to say it. Arrow Gaming > MUFC
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just had to say it. Arrow Gaming > MUFC

I am sad for Navi.US. They will not be making any money. Its find of sad because they beat Liquid.
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Fnatic vs C9 featuring a Pudge, and a cliff jungling Prophet.

Report both.

I need to learn this. For seriouz.
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That mmr goes up and down up and down until you get a good grasp of the game. It gets so frustrating when you go up then just get knocked down by things you can't control. Some people still insta random as soon as the game loads to character select. They get insta countered. You just have no chance. When that happens you're very likely to go on tilt for the next game, ruining your chances of getting back.
It's a hard thing to argue for or against. 2k mmr is very stupid. You can say if you're support and you're not doing your job if you don't make an impact. But you can still win the game if you're low impact but play support. That's not the case when your carries on your team straight up lose the game for you. I mean, we're not talking about getting good at the game, that's obvie in terms of growth. But we're talking about at least maintaining mmr. Even if you're a high impact support, when your carry loses a lane, much of the time it means you lose the game from snowball effects.

Some games you'll have 0 supports, some games you want to be support but you already got 4. Getting good at 3 heroes is a good way to start the game from unranked, but when you get to ranked you gotta learn how to pick. One doesn't need to counter pick and play more heroes well, and at least know that if you pick a SF going up against slark or TA, you're just going to have a bad time. There's a distinction between learning the game, getting good, and staying at a certain mmr and improving upon it.

If you made no impact and still won, you probably didn't win because of you. If you want to climb and you're 100% sure you're better than your bracket you should be making an impact every game.

If you're not making impact in your games you're probably be in the correct MMR.

As a support, your main concern is momentum (XPM/GPM and positioning). Even with crap carries, if you're giving enemy carries the same or worse time you're increasing your chances for victory. You could go for ganks to get an XPM/GPM lead or defend your carry's farm.

If your carry lost the lane and you're supporting him part of that blame is on you too.
Edited by evilferret - 7/12/14 at 1:31pm
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