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If you made no impact and still won, you probably didn't win because of you. If you want to climb and you're 100% sure you're better than your bracket you should be making an impact every game.

If you're not making impact in your games you're probably be in the correct MMR.

As a support, your main concern is momentum (XPM/GPM and positioning). Even with crap carries, if you're giving enemy carries the same or worse time you're increasing your chances for victory. You could go for ganks to get an XPM/GPM lead or defend your carry's farm.

If your carry lost the lane and you're supporting him part of that blame is on you too.

Y U NO TALK TO ME !!!! lol

where are you mate. show up don't be shy biggrin.gif
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Y U NO TALK TO ME !!!! lol

where are you mate. show up don't be shy biggrin.gif

I R TALKS! tongue.gif
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That was insane....



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Originally Posted by evilferret View Post

If you made no impact and still won, you probably didn't win because of you. If you want to climb and you're 100% sure you're better than your bracket you should be making an impact every game.

If you're not making impact in your games you're probably be in the correct MMR.

As a support, your main concern is momentum (XPM/GPM and positioning). Even with crap carries, if you're giving enemy carries the same or worse time you're increasing your chances for victory. You could go for ganks to get an XPM/GPM lead or defend your carry's farm.

If your carry lost the lane and you're supporting him part of that blame is on you too.

Not always the case, esp in 2k bracket.
Edited by connectwise - 7/12/14 at 3:05pm
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LGD vs Mouz ... this was such a poor game, idiotic plays from both redface.gif

And a gif from the Alliance vs EG game tongue.gif http://www.gfycat.com/DelightfulSickLamb
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If you made no impact and still won, you probably didn't win because of you. If you want to climb and you're 100% sure you're better than your bracket you should be making an impact every game.

If you're not making impact in your games you're probably be in the correct MMR.

As a support, your main concern is momentum (XPM/GPM and positioning). Even with crap carries, if you're giving enemy carries the same or worse time you're increasing your chances for victory. You could go for ganks to get an XPM/GPM lead or defend your carry's farm.

If your carry lost the lane and you're supporting him part of that blame is on you too.

I see a flaw in this. Either you don't play in 2K MMR or you have been lucky. It does not matter if your a terrific support if your carry is just feeding, or being dumb in one way or another. Dont get me wrong being an amazing support can offset that a bit, but unless your pro, you cannot win with one amazing support and the rest a junk team, just not happening.
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I see a flaw in this. Either you don't play in 2K MMR or you have been lucky. It does not matter if your a terrific support if your carry is just feeding, or being dumb in one way or another. Dont get me wrong being an amazing support can offset that a bit, but unless your pro, you cannot win with one amazing support and the rest a junk team, just not happening.

you've never seen EF support! theres times I've seen him or Sun Solo que and trust me they basically were the single reason their team ended up winning (granted I've not watched either of them in over 8 months)
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Aka, carry.

When your carry lost lane, means you have to go carry on that support to balance it out to win the game. That video I linked, purge talked exactly about this. Yes supports can net lots of kills, set of a lot of things up, but it needs farm and it needs levels. At 2k mmr area, things are very bad. It's not as simple as, omg you're so much better overall. It's, their support's got mek blink refrsher already, and your carry doesn't even have their cores yet. No matter how good you are, when you 5v5 your team wipes and you're the only one standing, you're still going to lose the game.
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I see a flaw in this. Either you don't play in 2K MMR or you have been lucky. It does not matter if your a terrific support if your carry is just feeding, or being dumb in one way or another. Dont get me wrong being an amazing support can offset that a bit, but unless your pro, you cannot win with one amazing support and the rest a junk team, just not happening.

I'm only 3k but I stack with 5k and sub 3k MMR players. My personal impact increases the lower MMR I go.

The lower MMR you go from your true skill, the easier the game should be (unless you're a specialized player who has a small hero pool).

Unless the player is really trolling, people want to win. If you make favorable situations for them, you'll slowly get an edge.

I've won a lot of games with awful carries. I just make sure we don't need them to win or if we do, make sure the enemy is as weak as my team. I've won less with awful supports since they have the early game.
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Aka, carry.

When your carry lost lane, means you have to go carry on that support to balance it out to win the game. That video I linked, purge talked exactly about this. Yes supports can net lots of kills, set of a lot of things up, but it needs farm and it needs levels. At 2k mmr area, things are very bad. It's not as simple as, omg you're so much better overall. It's, their support's got mek blink refrsher already, and your carry doesn't even have their cores yet. No matter how good you are, when you 5v5 your team wipes and you're the only one standing, you're still going to lose the game.

I guess you weren't around when I was pushing Midas CM. Getting some late game on a support is one way to balance the game out if your carry is failing but it's not the only way.

I don't understand your example. It just sounds the whole team was outclassed. You make it sound like enemy team had every item and nobody on your team had items. So if your supports don't have the same level of support items, isn't part of the blame also on the supports?

My way to get better as a support was to take all responsibility. I can't control teammates, I can control myself.

Thanks Doc for the vote of confidence! The more I play the more I realize how awful I am. tongue.gif
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