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you've never seen EF support! theres times I've seen him or Sun Solo que and trust me they basically were the single reason their team ended up winning (granted I've not watched either of them in over 8 months)

thats pro......I said unless your pro.....this is 2k bracket.
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I'm pretty sure ef was around 2k then
Edited by Jim888 - 7/12/14 at 7:49pm
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Ok so the thread is telling me the only reason team loses is crap support. I find that hard to believe. Lets do a study here. We will all join a game, you can play support we will all sit there and do nothing. If you win your point is proven. Ok? Something tells me you would lose.

I really appreciate the help gents don't get me wrong. However this thing about support seems absurd. Im not buying it. Feel free to prove me wrong lets stack up for a round in ranked and you support we all feed.....
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Schedule for Sunday and Monday http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2014/Playoffs/Phase_Three

Liquid vs LGD and Titan vs Newbee the losers of those series will be eliminated from TI4.


gosh !!! if navi won... they play ig again !!! not so good.
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Ok so the thread is telling me the only reason team loses is crap support. I find that hard to believe. Lets do a study here. We will all join a game, you can play support we will all sit there and do nothing. If you win your point is proven. Ok? Something tells me you would lose.

I really appreciate the help gents don't get me wrong. However this thing about support seems absurd. Im not buying it. Feel free to prove me wrong lets stack up for a round in ranked and you support we all feed.....

what can you do as carry when your 4 heroes feed? if you play a decent fast effective supprt like shaman, crystal maiden , veng. ward up. mek and maybe blink then your team will have better map vision. get less caught out, feed less .. you need to move the pace of the game yourself. let your carry farm. give him as much space as possible. seriously.. playing good support is very good in the low levels.
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Ok so the thread is telling me the only reason team loses is crap support. I find that hard to believe. Lets do a study here. We will all join a game, you can play support we will all sit there and do nothing. If you win your point is proven. Ok? Something tells me you would lose.

I really appreciate the help gents don't get me wrong. However this thing about support seems absurd. Im not buying it. Feel free to prove me wrong lets stack up for a round in ranked and you support we all feed.....

You make it sound like everybody is feeding.

Sun might be able to pull it off. tongue.gif

If you got a spare 2k account I'm willing to play on it.
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I currently need

N0tail
Fenrir
MMY
Bone7
Korok
Yao
Pajkatt
Heen
and Jotm to complete all teams, so not that much left
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I'd be interested in trading some cards I only need 3 more cards to have all of them. I've been using all my cards up but I'll start saving them for trade from now on if anyone is interested post what you need.

I need

AdmiralBulldog - Alliance

Yamateh - Titan

Xiangzaiii - Arrow Gaming

I just got a card pack and none of it was these. I even got 2 forev and ars art
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I'm only 3k but I stack with 5k and sub 3k MMR players. My personal impact increases the lower MMR I go.

The lower MMR you go from your true skill, the easier the game should be (unless you're a specialized player who has a small hero pool).

Unless the player is really trolling, people want to win. If you make favorable situations for them, you'll slowly get an edge.

I've won a lot of games with awful carries. I just make sure we don't need them to win or if we do, make sure the enemy is as weak as my team. I've won less with awful supports since they have the early game.
I guess you weren't around when I was pushing Midas CM. Getting some late game on a support is one way to balance the game out if your carry is failing but it's not the only way.

I don't understand your example. It just sounds the whole team was outclassed. You make it sound like enemy team had every item and nobody on your team had items. So if your supports don't have the same level of support items, isn't part of the blame also on the supports?

My way to get better as a support was to take all responsibility. I can't control teammates, I can control myself.

Thanks Doc for the vote of confidence! The more I play the more I realize how awful I am. tongue.gif

You kind of said it. A person in low mmr has to increase their hero pool to be effective in all pick. The lower the mmr, the harder the game is, not easier. You have a ton of situations where people just will not cooperate with each other and bm'ing. A lot of time it is an unwinnable situation. Hence learning to pick with a wider range of hero pool is one of the faster ways to maintain and move up in mmr.

Plenty of times in low mmr bracket your whole team do get outclassed, and their whole team including supports starts snowballing because one or two of your team just doesn't want to help. Problem just gets worse and worse as game goes on. There's plenty of blame to go around, the difference is as a support, there's not much you can do about it except to guide your carries by holding their hands.
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I just got a card pack and none of it was these. I even got 2 forev and ars art

People who need cards let me know too. Red dumped on his cards on me and I have tons of dups.

And I need Forev and Arts.

Edit: Putting my need list here to make it easier for myself.

Luo, Sneyking, Brax, Korok, Xiangzaii, Lin, Yao, DD, Forev, Illidan and Ars.

I got tons of Bulldogs if people need.
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I just got a card pack and none of it was these. I even got 2 forev and ars art
You kind of said it. A person in low mmr has to increase their hero pool to be effective in all pick. The lower the mmr, the harder the game is, not easier. You have a ton of situations where people just will not cooperate with each other and bm'ing. A lot of time it is an unwinnable situation. Hence learning to pick with a wider range of hero pool is one of the faster ways to maintain and move up in mmr.

Plenty of times in low mmr bracket your whole team do get outclassed, and their whole team including supports starts snowballing because one or two of your team just doesn't want to help. Problem just gets worse and worse as game goes on. There's plenty of blame to go around, the difference is as a support, there's not much you can do about it except to guide your carries by holding their hands.

You'll be surprised how small the pool gets the higher up you go.

I still don't get your example. If your whole team got outclassed, that means you got outclassed.

Maybe try to take lead? Me and Ramz just had a game where we had to tell our AM where to go and farm because he was just getting caught out too much.

Personally every loss I have, there were things I could have done better (drunk doto doesn't help).
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EG already have more money then Ti3 2nd place. Ti4 is basically gives top 8 teams full pay for the year. Basically you dont have to really be first or second in Ti anymore to get the big money for the year to support yourself. One problem i see is how good will players age. For example you play 3-4 years and dont win much. Do you still keep doing Dota 2 evn if it cant support your family?
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Someone please watch this match

http://dotabuff.com/matches/772966828

How am I supposed to climb mmr when these are my teammates...

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Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
Wester Digital Scorpio Black Mushkin Chronos Deluxe Swiftech H20-220 Elite Noiseblocker Multiframe M12-s3hs x2 
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Windows 7  Yamakasi Leonidas 30" 2560x1600 (LG) Ducky Shine II Silverstone 450w Gold 
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Lazerwerx Custom Razer Naga Cyber Snipa XL Corsair Vengeance 1500 
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Lamptron FC Touch Fan Controller 
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AMD 750k Black Gigabyte FM2 A85x Wifi AMD 6950 Corsair Vengeance 
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Corsair Force SSD Cooler Master Seidon 120 Ubuntu Built In 
Case
Aluminum Briefcase 
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i5 2500k asrock z77 itx asus gtx 670 crucial ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital caviar black mushkin chronos deluxe  corsair h100 w/ 4x Cougar Vortex windows 
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