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Last game I played we got an Invoker on our team that knew exactly how to use him. He pretty much used all his better stuff all game long even put the fireball to good use a couple of times. Too bad he's just awful in the hands of a beginner.

Yeah Invoker is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, heroes in the game to play. He can be a serious pain in the butt with a skilled player.
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anyone have a invite? i still haven't gotten a beta key.. ;(
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Word.
I wanna play dota 2 so bad frown.gif
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I don't have a key either, but anyway.............


What is it about these types of games that bring out the worst in people? I've met a ton of player types when playing HON:

- I have a higher MMR so listen and do I say
- Your building that hero wrong
- Those that are ready to cast blame when they mess up
- I'm not support so I shouldn't help ward

Is it like this in dota 2 as well? Am I expecting too much? Do these games simply attract a certain type of player? What is it?
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I don't think it's that they attract a certain type of player. It's just a game where you need to communicate to win, and nobody wants to admit it's their fault. It's this way in MMORPG groups as well, it's just less "violent" because the other side either can't (artificial barrier as in languages, or they're just NPCs).

Another point to consider is DotA is a game where a lead sustains its own growth. In MMO PvP, even if you've screwed up all game, if you can just respawn and get your act together - you can win. It's clear to everyone in DotA that the snowball effect is strong, and screwups reduce your chance to win.
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I don't have a key either, but anyway.............
What is it about these types of games that bring out the worst in people? I've met a ton of player types when playing HON:
- I have a higher MMR so listen and do I say
- Your building that hero wrong
- Those that are ready to cast blame when they mess up
- I'm not support so I shouldn't help ward
Is it like this in dota 2 as well? Am I expecting too much? Do these games simply attract a certain type of player? What is it?

Yes, there are players out there like this in the beta but during the 110 hours I've already spent playing on this game, I've encountered them much less often than I did when I played HoN. Same goes with ragers - Dota players in general seem to be much more cool headed than HoN players. Unfortunately, my experience with HoN was marred with ragers and quitters, which was the main reason I left and went back to playing LoL and WC3 Dota.

I still don't understand why HoN, out of all the ARTS games that I've played (and I've played them all), has the most rageful community that I've ever encountered.
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So are any of you guys in the JeeSports Dota2 Championship? Looks like a lot of fun.

http://www.jeesports.com/news/detail/PC/Dota2/325/JeeDota2-Championship-1

If you guys haven't entered yet, the last qualifier is open next Sunday. If you are interested in something like this but don't have enough time to get with a team, they are having another tournament in February.
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Valve's current goals for Dota 2 are to:
a) create a copy of original dota on source engine
b) lessen the learning curve
c) encourage a more levelheaded community

The DoTA clone is coming alone pretty well. They've yet to really implement any means for new players, but the profiles are shaping up to help with the community.

I played a little bit of LoL, but never really found it addicting. I'm absolutely hooked on Dota 2, though.
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Where did you get these goals from?

As for lessening the learning curve, that would be a tricky one. That would be difficult to do without "dumbing" the game down or making it easier to play. I love dota because there is so much to learn and people play for years and are always learning.

I personally hope they do not do this. I was once a terrible pub that found my way through all the criticism and became familiar with the game. If I can do it, so can everyone else. So what if this game is not that "noob friendly"? That is what separates dota from most other games. I feel the learning curve should remain as high as it is.

The best way I can describe dota is I think it should be a game that is understood through experience. For example:

A kid could play MW3 or a similar game for 3-6 months and become very good at the game. With dota, it works differently. People can still become much better dota players in 3-6 months, but they still have a ways to go.

I am the only person in my area/circle of friends that plays dota. Lets say one of my friends decides to try dota out. That is great, but even if he has played for a full year, I expect to be better than him in many regards (last hitting, juking, microing, map awareness, game mechanics, item choices, drafting, creep/neutral knowledge, time significance, ward knowledge, etc.) I am not saying that I want the learning curve to remain high so experienced players can smash new players. I am saying that dota is an experience game, and people should learn the game how many of us have learned it. Perhaps some of you got to your pinnacle in a matter of months. For me and many others here, it took years.

Even though 1-3 of those years I was not that skilled, they were still fun smile.gif

If they ever hope to lessen the backlash on new players, they have to create some servers that are strictly for "noobs/new players". There is obviously much more that would have to go into it, as it is much easier to say than to do, but that is the general idea.
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So has anyone else ran into the bug of not being able to control your hero? It happens to me once or twice a game at least!! I have to do a quick reset of the game to fix it.
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