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Originally Posted by Atham View Post

I have been off from dota for a while. What are the new pub stomping heroes? I might try some when I am ill no more.

Still quite the same:

Slark / Juggernaut / Void ...
I guess I should start getting better at those heroes. I cannot seem to be able to play Slark well. I don't feel like such a threat to the enemy. I play him mid though, and I didn't play that many games with him. How do you play him that makes him such a pub-stomper?

EDIT: I do need to play some more games with EF. But I guess the timezones and such might come into conflict.
Edited by Atham - 1/15/15 at 1:18pm
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Bold 1 : No. How long a fight last has very little to do with survivability as a support. In fact, due to how much burst damage teams can dish out in late game, it could have been the very reason why morph survives better than those supports in the first place, because besides the usual force staff / cyclone, you can waveform (invulnerable) and / or jump to image, not to mention morph's potentially huge HP pool (if you want the stun, you would naturally keep your STR count high). Where most supports die in 2 seconds, morph can last 4 seconds and could have bounced away

Bold 2 : You are support doom, when you are lv6, most other heros won't be lv6 (definitely not their mid and carries). If your team is playing good, wait around for 1-2 minutes and you might catch their support with your lv 1 lvl death with multi-6. But if your team is playing bad.......I highly doubt you can reach lv 5 before the important heros on the other side reach lv7. Even if you do, you better start ganking at lv5 because you dont have much of a choice before you miss your multiplier timing. The safest build is to at least have multiplier=5 at lv 3

And that is only talking about what you can do at lv6, with all 3 of net, doom and lvl death in your arsenal. What exactly do you plan to do before lv 6? Supports don't get much farm and are naturally at a lower level because they want the carry to get the most out of the lanes, but be harassing enemies out of the lane also for the carry's best interest. Doom can't do that....he also has no nuke and no stun....Doom can't do anything support-related before lv 5....


Did you say doom with bottle + arcane boots + mek on doom is better than morph support? That's the problem though...morph does not need that much mana help from items....Doom's mana pool is just awful. You cannot burst all your spells(devour spell included) even once with the natural mana pool, probably even worse if you had been casting devour. That's just bad.

Regarding survivability: That's what I originally said, lockdowns and damage, all of which other supports win out. Outside of lanening phase, other supports have the same or better surviability. It's not like in a group fight his putting his illusions all across the map just to escape death.

How you build doom is your business. From experience I disagree with yours and I always go ganking at lvl6 and always when doom's up.

Whether he can support pre lvl 6 is irrelavent comparing to morph.

Mana management is just part of playing each hero. Of course if you doom net lvl death you won't have enough for devour. I already established it from before, if you go ganking you go soul ring. If you farm you go bottle.

All in all, still better than morph.
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Regarding survivability: That's what I originally said, lockdowns and damage, all of which other supports win out. Outside of lanening phase, other supports have the same or better surviability. It's not like in a group fight his putting his illusions all across the map just to escape death.

How you build doom is your business. From experience I disagree with yours and I always go ganking at lvl6 and always when doom's up.

Whether he can support pre lvl 6 is irrelavent comparing to morph.

Mana management is just part of playing each hero. Of course if you doom net lvl death you won't have enough for devour. I already established it from before, if you go ganking you go soul ring. If you farm you go bottle.

All in all, still better than morph.

Can you link some of your support Doom games?
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I guess I should start getting better at those heroes. I cannot seem to be able to play Slark well. I don't feel like such a threat to the enemy. I play him mid though, and I didn't play that many games with him. How do you play him that makes him such a pub-stomper?

EDIT: I do need to play some more games with EF. But I guess the timezones and such might come into conflict.

For Slark, I play him mainly as position 1.

Item build is not fancy at all:

PT: Mandatory lol
PMS: Situational but often needed
Ring of Aquila: Has everything you wants and great item overall for the price
Orb of venom: Good for laning stage will later build in Skadi
Midas: if possible (free farlm lane or good MU against offlaner) otherwise skip
Skadi: You need that 99% of the time, build order according to sitatution
SB: I dont really like it but pretty popular for ganks / escapes and synergy with ult
Blink: When you feel like lacking inition but overall good on Slark as Item 3/4
Abyssal: My go to usually after Skadi
BKB: against magic damage heavy lineups

i did not mention all possible items that can be good for Slark but listed my go to ones. lol
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Has anyone tried the bloodseeker zeus strat yet? You go aghs refresher on zeus and bloodlust him and you double ulti. It blows everyone down to at least half health. If you manage to get a void, that's pretty much a team wipe.
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Has anyone tried the bloodseeker zeus strat yet? You go aghs refresher on zeus and bloodlust him and you double ulti. It blows everyone down to at least half health. If you manage to get a void, that's pretty much a team wipe.

Well I got to have fun with the pre nerf BS+Zeus combo so I'm not wowed by the current version. tongue.gif

But BS and Zeus are good picks right now.
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Well I got to have fun with the pre nerf BS+Zeus combo so I'm not wowed by the current version. tongue.gif

But BS and Zeus are good picks right now.

I think the current meta is the best it's been in a while. So much diversity in hero drafts and not just the usual void/doom/furion/DP etc we saw in Ti4
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I think the current meta is the best it's been in a while. So much diversity in hero drafts and not just the usual void/doom/furion/DP etc we saw in Ti4

I'm one of the few people who liked TI4. rolleyes.gif

We're starting to see the current meta picks emerging. We'll probably be bored of those heroes by TI5. tongue.gif
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I'm one of the few people who liked TI4. rolleyes.gif

We're starting to see the current meta picks emerging. We'll probably be bored of those heroes by TI5. tongue.gif
I mean I didn't mind TI4 but I just got bored of the same exact draft over and over again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHjnBPnD3EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AUbQD1gRP0&feature=youtu.be


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I need to test this with X marks.
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