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Funny you should say Beastmaster! That's the hero I've been playing (however poorly) to learn the game smile.gif

Very bad hero to learn dota. A lot of people say Viper is a good hero to learn the game. Basically heros with no skill.
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DWr6m8E.jpg Chose from one of these heroes to learn, you'll literally be cancer.
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Very bad hero to learn dota. A lot of people say Viper is a good hero to learn the game. Basically heros with no skill.

Funny that you mention Viper! My co-worker is a dota fanatic and he told me the same thing today about beastmaster and viper.
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Funny that you mention Viper! My co-worker is a dota fanatic and he told me the same thing today about beastmaster and viper.

Problem with Beastmaster is that he is easy but he has a very specific purpose in the game. You have to use the beast to slow down enemies and the bird for vision. His old is good to lock down bkb targets heros that can espace so that your carry can kill them.
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DWr6m8E.jpg Chose from one of these heroes to learn, you'll literally be cancer.
I'm horrible at veno frown.gif
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Well okay, in that case, position 4 jungle doom best doom.

That was true awhile ago. tongue.gif

I still remember all the jungle nerfs. mad.gif

And definitely depends on MMR. Sub 2k jungle everything works. biggrin.gif

Heck, I remember jungling Jug to counterpick during his OP days.

We play Dota, sometimes you have to play stuff weird to make things work. I was calling dual mid before it started showing up.

We experiment and figure out whats best for each patch. Never forget Midas CM!

I just realized how much slower Dota was during the early days if Midas CM was legit. Unless I'm balling out of control I can't justify a Midas pickup on her in the current meta.

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Very bad hero to learn dota. A lot of people say Viper is a good hero to learn the game. Basically heros with no skill.

I still belief that people have different skill levels for each hero. I see too many people spam a few heroes to win but suffer for it later when their main heroes are countered/banned at a higher MMR. If forced into another position/hero their main MMR doesn't reflect their skill in that particular game.

I would recommend Venge currently. I like recommending squishier heroes for beginners because you're forced to learn positioning and how to manage your health. You can't overestimate your tankiness if you're used to playing the squishy heroes.

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I'm horrible at veno frown.gif

I don't think our playstyles match Veno. I used to play him but currently I feel his wards feed too much and if you max his other skills he feels like a crappier support. I rather go Chen with the Purge buff. Better early slow. That Purge buff. o.0

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Funny that you mention Viper! My co-worker is a dota fanatic and he told me the same thing today about beastmaster and viper.

How new are you?

If you haven't calibrated spend this time to play as many heroes as possible and don't worry about good or bad heroes.

Sub 3.5k MMR you can carry with anything. Basic mechanics matter more.

Early on I mained WR and CM and at that time they were GARBAGE. Literally garbage. Compare TI1 WR to even current WR (shackles being a huge change).

Heroes get nerfed and buffed so find one you like playing for whatever reason.

Also find your playstyle. I think that's more important than finding your hero because your playstyle will determine your optimal hero pool.

Good luck and have fun!
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Jungler got a huge buff last patch. Tons of people found succcess with jungler now. Even attacker 7k player plays jungler on his stream at times.

I found doom jungle is crazy good vs some lineups, but only if your team has the right clickers on your side.

Rofl, as we speak EG vs VG Fy is jungling on nightstalker with talon tangos on his 4 positon.
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Jungler got a huge buff last patch. Tons of people found succcess with jungler now. Even attacker 7k player plays jungler on his stream at times.

I found doom jungle is crazy good vs some lineups, but only if your team has the right clickers on your side.

Rofl, as we speak EG vs VG Fy is jungling on nightstalker with talon tangos on his 4 positon.


I've been playing since beta so the jungle is still weak compared to than.

Not a fan of attacker. I watched him when he first became popular and his playstyle felt too static for me. No idea how he plays now.


I can't say anything about NS position 4. I've asked for it and played it. In pubs I think it's legit. Still unsure about it at a pro level. I first saw it on SEA so might be an SEA thing but I think I've seen other teams run it before.

NS position 4 isn't a traditional jungler. He's closer to a ganking Chen that starts a bit slower and doesn't fall off as early/hard.

When I'm talking about junglers I mean those pub games where you have 3 cores and somebody decides to pick another core and shove it in the jungle. I know there are pro games with core junglers but than they usually have a utility hero elsewhere.

To me a position 4 doesn't have to jungle and not all junglers are technically position 4's.

NS didn't really jungle that game aside dying to neutrals early. thumb.gif

It's FY! He loves chasing people! I wouldn't consider him a farmer. He got lvl 3/4 before first night than went chasing.



On ganking Chen. Saw video, played Chen drunk and found out Purge too op.



http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2114302741

That Invoker and DS was so sad.

Who needs micro when the CD is shorter than the duration!
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I've been playing since beta so the jungle is still weak compared to than.

Not a fan of attacker. I watched him when he first became popular and his playstyle felt too static for me. No idea how he plays now.


I can't say anything about NS position 4. I've asked for it and played it. In pubs I think it's legit. Still unsure about it at a pro level. I first saw it on SEA so might be an SEA thing but I think I've seen other teams run it before.

NS position 4 isn't a traditional jungler. He's closer to a ganking Chen that starts a bit slower and doesn't fall off as early/hard.

When I'm talking about junglers I mean those pub games where you have 3 cores and somebody decides to pick another core and shove it in the jungle. I know there are pro games with core junglers but than they usually have a utility hero elsewhere.

To me a position 4 doesn't have to jungle and not all junglers are technically position 4's.

NS didn't really jungle that game aside dying to neutrals early. thumb.gif

It's FY! He loves chasing people! I wouldn't consider him a farmer. He got lvl 3/4 before first night than went chasing.



On ganking Chen. Saw video, played Chen drunk and found out Purge too op.



http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2114302741

That Invoker and DS was so sad.

Who needs micro when the CD is shorter than the duration!

Yeah, jungle used to be a lot better. I used to do jungle exclusively since I play solo.
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