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EG is so good at this. They use small tournaments for practice. Now all the teams will have an eye for Ehome.
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Hard to say. EG used to exclusive play against a certain subset of heroes knowing that the other team is good with it, and just won't ban it. They end up losing. They try again a few times then decide they have to ban it, eg, TI5 tusk ban vs cdec. I hope they win coming shanghai.
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I've been playing since beta so the jungle is still weak compared to than.

Not a fan of attacker. I watched him when he first became popular and his playstyle felt too static for me. No idea how he plays now.


I can't say anything about NS position 4. I've asked for it and played it. In pubs I think it's legit. Still unsure about it at a pro level. I first saw it on SEA so might be an SEA thing but I think I've seen other teams run it before.

NS position 4 isn't a traditional jungler. He's closer to a ganking Chen that starts a bit slower and doesn't fall off as early/hard.

When I'm talking about junglers I mean those pub games where you have 3 cores and somebody decides to pick another core and shove it in the jungle. I know there are pro games with core junglers but than they usually have a utility hero elsewhere.

To me a position 4 doesn't have to jungle and not all junglers are technically position 4's.

NS didn't really jungle that game aside dying to neutrals early. thumb.gif

It's FY! He loves chasing people! I wouldn't consider him a farmer. He got lvl 3/4 before first night than went chasing.



On ganking Chen. Saw video, played Chen drunk and found out Purge too op.



http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2114302741

That Invoker and DS was so sad.

Who needs micro when the CD is shorter than the duration!

That purge creep might be good, but only early. I tried it and the range is so short.

In terms of jungle the pro games and pub games are much different. Much of the time in pro game the offlaner is forced to go to jungle as soon as possible b/c the enemy safelane core and supports is just too good. Whenever ppd plays pubs in NA he'd be core and just rages at his lane supports saying come get this free kill, stop standing behind me to leech xp for nothing, go do something etc.

Youre saying you don't like 4 cores and 1 support with 1 core jungling. But many pubs are won that way b/c ppl don't know how to farm, and there's extra farm on the map. If they can get away with the greed, then they come out way ahead. The deal with doom jungle, he's a solid 4. He's getting greaves, he's also a blink initiator, he's a faster lvling and farming 4, other than enigma. It just has to fit in the line up as a support.
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Hard to say. EG used to exclusive play against a certain subset of heroes knowing that the other team is good with it, and just won't ban it. They end up losing. They try again a few times then decide they have to ban it, eg, TI5 tusk ban vs cdec. I hope they win coming shanghai.
That purge creep might be good, but only early. I tried it and the range is so short.

In terms of jungle the pro games and pub games are much different. Much of the time in pro game the offlaner is forced to go to jungle as soon as possible b/c the enemy safelane core and supports is just too good. Whenever ppd plays pubs in NA he'd be core and just rages at his lane supports saying come get this free kill, stop standing behind me to leech xp for nothing, go do something etc.

Youre saying you don't like 4 cores and 1 support with 1 core jungling. But many pubs are won that way b/c ppl don't know how to farm, and there's extra farm on the map. If they can get away with the greed, then they come out way ahead. The deal with doom jungle, he's a solid 4. He's getting greaves, he's also a blink initiator, he's a faster lvling and farming 4, other than enigma. It just has to fit in the line up as a support.

They are the best team to adapt. Losing $70K here to win 200-300K for 1 or 2 extra game on the Major is the point.
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I actually don't know how to win this meta. There's actually almost no teamwork. Only one or two games where it's just super easy cus your team knows how to work together.
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I actually don't know how to win this meta. There's actually almost no teamwork. Only one or two games where it's just super easy cus your team knows how to work together.

I think teamwork was the best in the tower-defense patch for obvious reasons.

After that.... I don't see how lack of teamwork has ever changed in pubs unless you are like 4.5k or above.
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Hard to say. EG used to exclusive play against a certain subset of heroes knowing that the other team is good with it, and just won't ban it. They end up losing. They try again a few times then decide they have to ban it, eg, TI5 tusk ban vs cdec. I hope they win coming shanghai.
That purge creep might be good, but only early. I tried it and the range is so short.

In terms of jungle the pro games and pub games are much different. Much of the time in pro game the offlaner is forced to go to jungle as soon as possible b/c the enemy safelane core and supports is just too good. Whenever ppd plays pubs in NA he'd be core and just rages at his lane supports saying come get this free kill, stop standing behind me to leech xp for nothing, go do something etc.

Youre saying you don't like 4 cores and 1 support with 1 core jungling. But many pubs are won that way b/c ppl don't know how to farm, and there's extra farm on the map. If they can get away with the greed, then they come out way ahead. The deal with doom jungle, he's a solid 4. He's getting greaves, he's also a blink initiator, he's a faster lvling and farming 4, other than enigma. It just has to fit in the line up as a support.
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I actually don't know how to win this meta. There's actually almost no teamwork. Only one or two games where it's just super easy cus your team knows how to work together.

I'm with Harris on teamwork. Unless I'm pulled up to VHigh there is no teamwork (and even than). Heck, even Sun trolls me. rolleyes.gif

Personally been playing more push/gank and it's been doing well.


Doom still too squishy without a early disable. Underleveled he doesn't offer much. I rather go with an solo offlane Doom for the faster 6 and hope they don't trilane with multiple stuns.

If jungling is working for you, go for it. I pushed for jungling in a previous patch but IMO current meta does not favor junglers (at least in my MMR bracket).

I find jungling too situational on my teammates. I rather make the space than hope I get the space.


Greed is okay up to a point but Dota is a game of economics too. There is only a set number of XP/Gold at any moment even with a prefect farm route. Make less farm available for the higher priority heroes and you're forced into a late game (unless the enemy is worse than you). Why do you think PPD rages so much at those supports?

I feel PPD is allowed to rage at supports. Doesn't he main support? thumb.gif That's my excuse when I get angry at crappy supports the few games I'm forced to carry.

Doesn't mean you can't play greedy (people consider me greedy as hell on position 4/5) but don't take away from the higher priorities. Picking a jungler locks out the jungle until you get your items since you'll be behind on levels. From my experience the crappier the carry, the more space and available farm they need.

I'm currently trying to make enemy jungle a thing. thumb.gif


Ward and smoke for Chen for EZ first bloods. Win at least 2 (1 if going hyper carry) lanes and ez kaka. I think you're underestimating the purge even late game. You laugh at melee carries (or force out a BKB usage).

I haven't had an issue with the range unless they have wards up (which is why you use smoke for the first 2-3 ganks).
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Man, wish i could enjoy playing dota, but since i got windows 10 there's been non-stop crashes to desktop every round. i might get through a round once and a while, but usually 3-5 times per round its just 'poof, gone'
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Man source 2 has been so buggy for so many people. That sucks man.

EF, in re teamwork, I have found people are more chill in unranked. Even when I was playing vh and people where over 400 mmr higher than my ranked, they cared about the game less and were more likely to cooperate in tough times. In ranked it seems one mistake in the game it's FLAME ON. Nobody seems to willing to admit their mistakes either.

Yesterday I went crazy good on my sven carry and won the game, because during early game skirmish I told my teammate pheonix in voip to "move move" from the tree path blocking me, he just kept on spamming st u noob, noob etc over and over. This is from an offlane phoenix that mis skilled his bird with no spirits at all, and I ended up getting reported by him after.

In regards to jungling, it's situational definitely. I think I might have forgotten to mention that the position 4 junlgling doom is only picked if the enemy mid is an elusive playmaker that's squishy and or there's omni/necrophos on other team. I'm having a lot success when that happens. I jungle to 6, smoke gank mid with net creep or purge and 1st gank is always successful. Then every time a doom is up smoke gank. But it's definitely situational. It's a 4 position doom anyways, so effectiveness is limited no matter what.

Greed is all relative. It's about playing the hero right and adapt to the situations at hand. If you remember sc2 ladder, it's about being as greedy as possible but without getting punished.
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Anyone have any ideas or ran into this issue with W10 hating dota? Using newest stable AMD drivers for W10, but nothing seems to help frown.gif

Getting random blue screens as well for various things. half were caused by my ssd Rapid mode, but ugh... W10 is a pain compared to W7. NEVER had issues like this on W7 in many years since its release.
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I am tilted as $%^& right now and want to #%$$^E%$^& kil l#$^$*) everyone.

Thanks for letting me share or that might have come out in game.

Iquit dota for 72 hrs V:
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