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Secret looks very very weak.

Wow DC is on fire. Must suck for Secret dropping W33 and Misery.

I didnt even know who's on the team except resolution lol

w33 is pretty good indeed. Not miracle good i suppose, but not too far off imo.

Maybe I should watch DC a bit more. If they keep the performance up, they could be worthy of supporting


LD just owned tobi completely with DING DING DING by the way.
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Hey guys


Does anyone know if/when the new treasures (Lockless and Trove) will expire ?

not sure but items from the chests will be marketable after August 12th.
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Dam the price pool really is too high. Almost 1 million if you win the first match in WB. Almost 9 million for first place. Is that a bit too much money for eSport players? Just getting into Ti which is not the hardest thing in the world for most teams it's more money then a average job. Add the majors and other tournaments. I think completion should be more strict.
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Dam the price pool really is too high. Almost 1 million if you win the first match in WB. Almost 9 million for first place. Is that a bit too much money for eSport players? Just getting into Ti which is not the hardest thing in the world for most teams it's more money then a average job. Add the majors and other tournaments. I think completion should be more strict.

are you serious?

there are only the annual Ti and (now) 2 majors for them. There are like 8 teams that you can say are strong enough to be "guarenteed" qualifying. For the other teams it's really not that easy.

and to think how many hours they have to play everyday, it's very hard to fit in even a part time job if they aren't already paid well enough by their own organizations. And then about how old (or how young, really) do they have to consider retiring. It's a very full time job with no future.


Another thing is, a lot of teams struggled to get back to the top after winning a Ti, imo partly due to the nerf to the heros that shined in their hands, indirectly changing the meta completely. As a result, no team dominates forever (although OG is starting to show some signs). Navi was the team getting it good (although prize pool was smaller back then), with the first Ti champ and then 2nd place twice in a row. Think about where iG was in Ti3, and how much Alliance suffered after Ti3.

These championship money is not a cheque mailed to these top world players quarterly. Other than OG, I can't think of any current team that can stably claim more than 2 million from valve every year. (not to mention all prize money will be divided by at least 5)

For players with high salaries to begin with, this unstable prize money is probably not a problem though.


That said, I do agree to slightly reduce (maybe 10%) the prize pool of the runner-ups and give those to the casters.


I wish other gaming-related competitions have a prize pool remotely close to dota / LoL. I once watched a magic-the-gathering WORLDS tournament, somewhere in the broadcast the caster mentioned that the champion will receive 10,000 dollars......I was like what.........that's barely worth the flight...... (a lot of magic players are somewhat rich to begin with), and to think that only one man from the pool of player can get that much for the hassle....
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are you serious?

there are only the annual Ti and (now) 2 majors for them. There are like 8 teams that you can say are strong enough to be "guarenteed" qualifying. For the other teams it's really not that easy.

and to think how many hours they have to play everyday, it's very hard to fit in even a part time job if they aren't already paid well enough by their own organizations. And then about how old (or how young, really) do they have to consider retiring. It's a very full time job with no future.


Another thing is, a lot of teams struggled to get back to the top after winning a Ti, imo partly due to the nerf to the heros that shined in their hands, indirectly changing the meta completely. As a result, no team dominates forever (although OG is starting to show some signs). Navi was the team getting it good (although prize pool was smaller back then), with the first Ti champ and then 2nd place twice in a row. Think about where iG was in Ti3, and how much Alliance suffered after Ti3.

These championship money is not a cheque mailed to these top world players quarterly. Other than OG, I can't think of any current team that can stably claim more than 2 million from valve every year. (not to mention all prize money will be divided by at least 5)

For players with high salaries to begin with, this unstable prize money is probably not a problem though.


That said, I do agree to slightly reduce (maybe 10%) the prize pool of the runner-ups and give those to the casters.


I wish other gaming-related competitions have a prize pool remotely close to dota / LoL. I once watched a magic-the-gathering WORLDS tournament, somewhere in the broadcast the caster mentioned that the champion will receive 10,000 dollars......I was like what.........that's barely worth the flight...... (a lot of magic players are somewhat rich to begin with), and to think that only one man from the pool of player can get that much for the hassle....

What I am trying to say is that Dota 2 competition has not gotten any better than when price pools where smaller. In fact it is worse. Also if you did not forget a lot of the teams where selected because they did not change roster and not for their amazing performance. Once I see the same level of Dota 2 as Ti on open qualifiers for Ti I would understand the price pool.
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What I am trying to say is that Dota 2 competition has not gotten any better than when price pools where smaller. In fact it is worse. Also if you did not forget a lot of the teams where selected because they did not change roster and not for their amazing performance. Once I see the same level of Dota 2 as Ti on open qualifiers for Ti I would understand the price pool.

Are you seriously saying that the level of Dota was better for the open qualifiers, than it is for the TI?
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Are you seriously saying that the level of Dota was better for the open qualifiers, than it is for the TI?

Read what I said. I said Open Qualifiers level of Dota should be the same level as current Ti for the price pool to be justified.
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Read what I said. I said Open Qualifiers level of Dota should be the same level as current Ti for the price pool to be justified.

I did read what you said. I actually read it a couple of times trying to make sense out of it, as it is worded quite poorly.

What do you mean by "level of Dota"? The skill? The entertainment value? What is missing from TI that you think isn't as good as the open qualifier?
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I did read what you said. I actually read it a couple of times trying to make sense out of it, as it is worded quite poorly.

What do you mean by "level of Dota"? The skill? The entertainment value? What is missing from TI that you think isn't as good as the open qualifier?

Ti level of Dota 2 much greater. The point was he Open Qualifiers should have Ti level of skill and Ti main event should be even greater.
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