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Just played a game as CM. I think i fell in love haha. Tell me how I did biggrin.gif
I'm also looking for critiques on my item build.
I left one slot open at all time to carry wards and ended with 4161g. I was tempted to buy a Linkens (not sure if that is a good choice), but decided to save the money should I need a buyback. Did I think correctly?
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im a pretty okay cm user, and the first item that i get is a blink dagger. helps alot with positioning for ganks, etc. after that, linkens is an okay choice for survivability, or you can get bkb if you really want to use your ulti. honestly i dont find myself needing to use my ulti alot, and a blink dagger, town portal, wards and boots is pretty much all i carry throughout the game. you did well in bringing wards at all times. cant really tell what the items are by the pic lol redface.gif
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Don't have a key yet - and i will not resort to the lowly behaviour of some.
For those who have played DotA original, is the gameplay similar?
I have this itching feeling that dota 2 will have more teamfights/roam and less farm
Also, do the awesome wc3 engine hax still exist? i.e. blinking/manta/split-second-invul to avoid projectiles. or the infamous pudge/wisp combo
Finally, are the fog of war positions much different to before?
cheers and hf
@shane: pretty impressive for a cm! pretty good how you have it in your head to constantly ward. you got blink which is great. did you get BKB? i can't tell LOL.. but it's a great item to have on cm. a fully channeled, well positioned ulti is bound to stomp teamfights. especially with that heavy aoe-centered team of yours

Its very similar, gameplay is pretty much identical. I've only played 4 games on a mates account, but from watching the tournaments/streams its pretty much the same.

I'm having withdrawal symptoms now frown.gif
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For me, my first 3-4 games of DOTA 2 were very difficult. I have played Dota for 5-6 years so I am pretty accustomed to DOTA.

Last hitting seemed quite different. It seemed like in order to last hit, I had to let the creeps health drop lower than I instinctively wanted it to. I also tried using my own key layout for the spells but that just messed me up even more. Since I am not used to the spell animations and acknowledging when they have been casted, I had no smoothness or flow to my actions. After I turned legacy keys on and straitened up my last hitting, I fell in love. smile.gif

Such a great game. I'm sure it will feel weird for the first game or two, but it will grow on you.

Also, too me, it seems like games are longer on average than Dota pub games go. My main hypothesis to this is that most of the Dota 2 Beta key players were most likely experienced Dota players and know how to play. This can lead to longer, more competitive game play.
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I'm really starting to get the hang of this game. I think I finally grasped the concept that 1 cc can give you first blood or win you the team fight. I'm so use to LoL where I don't think any CC went over 2.5s duration and even then, 9/10 people packed Flash so they'd instantly blink away.

Just had an awesome game as WR and started dominating the enemy once I got my sheep stick and shut their carry down. That felt good. biggrin.gif
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I'm really starting to get the hang of this game. I think I finally grasped the concept that 1 cc can give you first blood or win you the team fight. I'm so use to LoL where I don't think any CC went over 2.5s duration and even then, 9/10 people packed Flash so they'd instantly blink away.
Just had an awesome game as WR and started dominating the enemy once I got my sheep stick and shut their carry down. That felt good. biggrin.gif

Not to sound like a creeper, but I watched the last part of that game!

When I started watching, you guys had lost most of your towers and were backed into your base. It wasn't looking good...

Then you guys had some good team ganks and a good fight near rosh and took the win! Great game to watch tongue.gif
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Just say it already! I blew big time with VS last night in our lane. I was making sure not to try and take your last hits and deny when possible though.
I'm getting better!
Edit:
Just played a game as CM. I think i fell in love haha. Tell me how I did biggrin.gif
I'm also looking for critiques on my item build.
I left one slot open at all time to carry wards and ended with 4161g. I was tempted to buy a Linkens (not sure if that is a good choice), but decided to save the money should I need a buyback. Did I think correctly? We had them pretty well pushed but a few times we made bad initiations and got wiped once or twice. I'm starting to get the hang of what each item does but something tells me the recommended isn't the right way to go.
Side Note: I love the feel of Dota 2 in general. This was an hour long game but didn't feel like it. When I played LoL, anything over 30min just felt like a drag and I wanted it to be over. With this, I looked up, and I'm 45min in. I LOVE IT!
Zulli85: To pull up past match history, click the watch tab. Then on the top right there is a red "filter list" button. Enter your user name in the filter options and all your games should come up. After a while the replay should be available to download as well.
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Don't play VS? Haha.

CM plays similar to VS but everybody generally loves to have CM as an ally because of the global Brilliance aura. (Might be named differently in Dota 2, gives global mana regen) Surprised you had enough gold to consider getting a Linkens, If you are farming that well, which is unusual (should let carries get the farm), you could be a baller and go Blink BKB. Stay back and wait for a team fight to be initiated and you can blink in, use BKB and then ulti. That is a pretty extreme situation though and is pretty out of the norm. By the way gold at the end of the game doesn't mean much unless you have like 10k, you and your allies get a **** load of gold from all the raxes and towers falling in the enemy base.

Also, some of the recommended item builds are pretty weird but generally they aren't too bad. Each individual game should dictate what you spend your gold on.
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Originally Posted by LIU_ZOMG View Post

Don't have a key yet - and i will not resort to the lowly behaviour of some.
For those who have played DotA original, is the gameplay similar?
I have this itching feeling that dota 2 will have more teamfights/roam and less farm
Also, do the awesome wc3 engine hax still exist? i.e. blinking/manta/split-second-invul to avoid projectiles. or the infamous pudge/wisp combo
Finally, are the fog of war positions much different to before?
cheers and hf
@shane: pretty impressive for a cm! pretty good how you have it in your head to constantly ward. you got blink which is great. did you get BKB? i can't tell LOL.. but it's a great item to have on cm. a fully channeled, well positioned ulti is bound to stomp teamfights. especially with that heavy aoe-centered team of yours

The gameplay is exactly like Dota 1. The current meta game might only be slightly different from Dota 1 because there are only about 45ish heroes to choose from. AM is picked a **** load and teams with it on their team generally win if the game goes beyond 35ish minutes. Wisp is not in Dota 2 yet but all of the fog, juking spots, and little intricacies are exactly the same or will be with time.
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im a pretty okay cm user, and the first item that i get is a blink dagger. helps alot with positioning for ganks, etc. after that, linkens is an okay choice for survivability, or you can get bkb if you really want to use your ulti. honestly i dont find myself needing to use my ulti alot, and a blink dagger, town portal, wards and boots is pretty much all i carry throughout the game. you did well in bringing wards at all times. cant really tell what the items are by the pic lol redface.gif

+1 to blink bkb if you are farming that well.
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Its very similar, gameplay is pretty much identical. I've only played 4 games on a mates account, but from watching the tournaments/streams its pretty much the same.
I'm having withdrawal symptoms now frown.gif

I've played about 50 Dota 2 games and I'm withdrawing as well. Although I just played last night and I'm about to play now haha.
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For me, my first 3-4 games of DOTA 2 were very difficult. I have played Dota for 5-6 years so I am pretty accustomed to DOTA.
Last hitting seemed quite different. It seemed like in order to last hit, I had to let the creeps health drop lower than I instinctively wanted it to. I also tried using my own key layout for the spells but that just messed me up even more. Since I am not used to the spell animations and acknowledging when they have been casted, I had no smoothness or flow to my actions. After I turned legacy keys on and straitened up my last hitting, I fell in love. smile.gif
Such a great game. I'm sure it will feel weird for the first game or two, but it will grow on you.
Also, too me, it seems like games are longer on average than Dota pub games go. My main hypothesis to this is that most of the Dota 2 Beta key players were most likely experienced Dota players and know how to play. This can lead to longer, more competitive game play.

Agree with all of that. Hardest part for me was getting used to the shop, last hitting was weird too. You can "Google" stuff in the shop to find exactly what you need in a hurry.
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I'm really starting to get the hang of this game. I think I finally grasped the concept that 1 cc can give you first blood or win you the team fight. I'm so use to LoL where I don't think any CC went over 2.5s duration and even then, 9/10 people packed Flash so they'd instantly blink away.
Just had an awesome game as WR and started dominating the enemy once I got my sheep stick and shut their carry down. That felt good. biggrin.gif

CC? Sound like an LoL term haha.
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CM plays similar to VS but everybody generally loves to have CM as an ally because of the global Brilliance aura. (Might be named differently in Dota 2, gives global mana regen) Surprised you had enough gold to consider getting a Linkens, If you are farming that well, which is unusual (should let carries get the farm), you could be a baller and go Blink BKB. Stay back and wait for a team fight to be initiated and you can blink in, use BKB and then ulti. That is a pretty extreme situation though and is pretty out of the norm. By the way gold at the end of the game doesn't mean much unless you have like 10k, you and your allies get a **** load of gold from all the raxes and towers falling in the enemy base.

I had enough to buy it outright for a while as we were just defending. All them assists is what got me the gold, I didn't have all that much farm really.
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CC? Sound like an LoL term haha.

CC = Crowd Control. Used in WoW as well when I played that back in the day.
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I am excited for this game
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I had enough to buy it outright for a while as we were just defending. All them assists is what got me the gold, I didn't have all that much farm really.
CC = Crowd Control. Used in WoW as well when I played that back in the day.

I see, I've definitely never heard that in Dota haha. I think some new terminology is going to surface with all the LoL and HoN players.
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I am excited for this game

That post doesn't convey your excitement very well lol.
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Another wave passes by... Well, another restless night where I cry myself to sleep.
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