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That's the thing, never played a MOBA, looked interesting. It just seems odd to me you stand around and wait for creeps to get low before attacking them. Why not get money on dmg done or amount of creeps killed (even if you don't get last hit)? I'm assuming the last hit mechanic is to give the importance of intense micro capability. I was hoping it was more RPGish and based on the skills you use and the items you buy. It just seems like the last hit mechanic is a little too important.

Regardless, I will look into some of these suggestions people said (support, and camping) just to see how they work out, but I'm thinking this isn't a game for me if the micro is that important.

You completely haven't realised that you can gank, teamfight, chase, have fun etc. Last hitting is nothing compared to the vast immensity of a game that is DotA.
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Not the best video but its Here

Those were the games of legend! Those players... brings back memories.

Household names they are.
Edited by hamzatm - 1/10/13 at 12:47pm
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You completely haven't realised that you can gank, teamfight, chase, have fun etc. Last hitting is nothing compared to the vast immensity of a game that is DotA.

Ya that part sounds fun, any suggestions to get there without last hitting? The way I understand it you only get items with money, you only get money very slowly over time or by last hitting/denying. Am I missing some other mechanic?

If you guys need to talk about high level strategy and what not, I can leave this thread. Just wanted to give my opinion and frustration trying to play this game and see if there was something I was missing.
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Ya that part sounds fun, any suggestions to get there without last hitting? The way I understand it you only get items with money, you only get money very slowly over time or by last hitting/denying. Am I missing some other mechanic?

If you guys need to talk about high level strategy and what not, I can leave this thread. Just wanted to give my opinion and frustration trying to play this game and see if there was something I was missing.

You also get money for destroying towers, killing the heroes on the other team, killing Roshan, killing the other teams courier.

I suggested playing as a support as you wont be needing to farm (last hit) creeps but for most supports their skills are what makes them good.
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ZSMJ gonna comeback guys.
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Not the best video but its Here

Yeah I remember this one but was definitely a different game than the one I was thinking of.

Btw shoutcasts are way better than this.
Edited by Zulli85 - 1/10/13 at 4:03pm
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Ya that part sounds fun, any suggestions to get there without last hitting? The way I understand it you only get items with money, you only get money very slowly over time or by last hitting/denying. Am I missing some other mechanic?

If you guys need to talk about high level strategy and what not, I can leave this thread. Just wanted to give my opinion and frustration trying to play this game and see if there was something I was missing.

You (or we) are already getting it good, man. Back in the old dota 1 days, you dont even get money for kill assists (it wasn't even counted!!)

I guess for a beginner it might feel strange to let the creeps fight it out and only last hit to acquire the money. Get to thinking about it though, in what games do you get "benefits", aka gold, item drops, etc, upon enemy's injures instead of death? Just doesn't make sense bro.

**you should also take into account the fact that if you have a pusher team, you can choose to do a tri lane and kill enemy waves asap instead of last hitting. The purpose of last hitting and deny was to get gold and deny your enemies from gettwhile not pushing the front line much. This does not have to be the case 100% of the time.



The fact that gold earning system has improved this much within these recent years have already encouraged sustaining your hero (kind of) significance without much creep kills. Assist gold, tower gold for entire team, etc.

If you watch a bit of pro games, you can find that some of the heros are always off-lane, always 2-4 lvs below others, have like 10 creep kills after 12 minutes and are still able to present decent appearance in the games. Different heros have different roles, if you feel like going support, or ultimate dependent heros, I suggest you look into that.
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Bothering me now that I can't think of that replay. I thought it was zsmj, may have been someone on ehome, playing dusa top lane against either a dual or tri. he was so scared he'd hide behind like the tier 2 tower if he felt threatened because he really, really didn't want to die. Eventually carried the crap out of that game, was probably like 60+ minutes. This was also a while ago, I'm thinking sometime in between me switching from Dota 1 to Dota 2 which was 2011. Remember my friends touting it as an amazing replay.
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You (or we) are already getting it good, man. Back in the old dota 1 days, you dont even get money for kill assists (it wasn't even counted!!)

I guess for a beginner it might feel strange to let the creeps fight it out and only last hit to acquire the money. Get to thinking about it though, in what games do you get "benefits", aka gold, item drops, etc, upon enemy's injures instead of death? Just doesn't make sense bro.

**you should also take into account the fact that if you have a pusher team, you can choose to do a tri lane and kill enemy waves asap instead of last hitting. The purpose of last hitting and deny was to get gold and deny your enemies from gettwhile not pushing the front line much. This does not have to be the case 100% of the time.



The fact that gold earning system has improved this much within these recent years have already encouraged sustaining your hero (kind of) significance without much creep kills. Assist gold, tower gold for entire team, etc.

If you watch a bit of pro games, you can find that some of the heros are always off-lane, always 2-4 lvs below others, have like 10 creep kills after 12 minutes and are still able to present decent appearance in the games. Different heros have different roles, if you feel like going support, or ultimate dependent heros, I suggest you look into that.

Haha hey Harris, did you drop SC2 in favor of Dota2 or play both?

So you think the creep mechanic is mostly for defensive style play, or late game play as SC2 players would call it? I guess that would make sense, but then I just don't understand how to push without experience/items.

Anyone want to play sometime? Show me around a little? I have a vent server or can come to one obviously. Unfortunately I wont be able to play tonight, kids going to in laws house so I can go on a date with my wife. lol
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Haha hey Harris, did you drop SC2 in favor of Dota2 or play both?

So you think the creep mechanic is mostly for defensive style play, or late game play as SC2 players would call it? I guess that would make sense, but then I just don't understand how to push without experience/items.

Anyone want to play sometime? Show me around a little? I have a vent server or can come to one obviously. Unfortunately I wont be able to play tonight, kids going to in laws house so I can go on a date with my wife. lol

I'm always willing to help out, join the OCN channel in game and I'm sure others would be willing too!
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I'm always willing to help out, join the OCN channel in game and I'm sure others would be willing too!

Cool thanks. That sparked me to check the original thread in this topic and Zulli has done a great job putting up some resources. I'll look into them.
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