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once captains mode gets added to matchmaking though, its bye bye AM lol. although if ever, how is that going to work out? i guess the captain is going to be chosen at random.. or better yet, they should put in the option of turning practice lobbies into "ranked" games.
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I don't know I just lost against an Anti-mage who fed off of only one of our guys (unfort our team randomed and had 3 ints). We had 2 very experienced players and 2 decent players and his team was terrible. One of our guys ragequit, so we stacked one of our guys and we still lost...antimage + bashers = FTL
I guess though technically it was 1 v 4 =P

Its because you can't kill AM, especially mid to late game. 5 sec cd blink + spell shield + items makes him seriously hard to kill. He might not carry until later, but because you can't kill him he will eventually win the game. You almost have to make sure to 4 or 5 man gank him frequently and stack disables to make sure he doesn't carry. In other words it takes a lot of resources to win a game against a decent AM. And if you don't kill the AM while expending those resources, you're in a lot of trouble.

Bashers on AM is a pub build but because the hero is so strong it still works a lot of the time. Treads, Vanguard, Bfury, Vlads, Manta and like a Butterfly or some other high-end item is more realistic in actual games. BKB is good too, of course.
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once captains mode gets added to matchmaking though, its bye bye AM lol. although if ever, how is that going to work out? i guess the captain is going to be chosen at random.. or better yet, they should put in the option of turning practice lobbies into "ranked" games.

I prefer AP in pub games anyway, you won't see me playing CM unless I have an actual team to play with. What we need is RD, CD, and SD.
Edited by Zulli85 - 11/29/11 at 9:41am
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I don't know I just lost against an Anti-mage who fed off of only one of our guys (unfort our team randomed and had 3 ints). We had 2 very experienced players and 2 decent players and his team was terrible. One of our guys ragequit, so we stacked one of our guys and we still lost...antimage + bashers = FTL
I guess though technically it was 1 v 4 =P

Its because you can't kill AM, especially mid to late game. 5 sec cd blink + spell shield + items makes him seriously hard to kill. He might not carry until later, but because you can't kill him he will eventually win the game. You almost have to make sure to 4 or 5 man gank him frequently and stack disables to make sure he doesn't carry. In other words it takes a lot of resources to win a game against a decent AM. And if you don't kill the AM while expending those resources, you're in a lot of trouble.

Bashers on AM is a pub build but because the hero is so strong it still works a lot of the time. Treads, Vanguard, Bfury, Vlads, Manta and like a Butterfly or some other high-end item is more realistic in actual games. BKB is good too, of course.
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once captains mode gets added to matchmaking though, its bye bye AM lol. although if ever, how is that going to work out? i guess the captain is going to be chosen at random.. or better yet, they should put in the option of turning practice lobbies into "ranked" games.

I prefer AP in pub games anyway, you won't see me playing CM unless I have an actual team to play with. What we need is RD, CD, and SD.

i love sd. the suspense of random but with some freedom to choose tongue.gif
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I'm amazed at how many people in-game (Not you guys tongue.gif) keep raging about AM. They need to realize that once more heroes come into the beta, AM won't be as "OP" as they claim.

Naix/OD/SD/PA/Ursa/Lycan/Sylla/Naga/Bara/Bane/TB just to name a few that have yet to enter the pool. All can do a decent job at stopping AM with decent support. I think I have only played 1 or 2 games where I really felt helpless against AM because our supports refused to get Sheepsticks. Other than that, I don't see why he can't be beaten with disables. I played against a really good AM who ended up going 14-6 on Saturday and we won about 50 minutes in. How? Shut him down. Also, my team had great synergy and understood that "HEY, I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO STICK TOGETHER BUT LET ME FARM THIS REAL QUICK!" was not a good idea at the time.

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I'm amazed at how many people in-game (Not you guys tongue.gif) keep raging about AM. They need to realize that once more heroes come into the beta, AM won't be as "OP" as they claim.
Naix/OD/SD/PA/Ursa/Lycan/Sylla/Naga/Bara/Bane/TB just to name a few that have yet to enter the pool. All can do a decent job at stopping AM with decent support. I think I have only played 1 or 2 games where I really felt helpless against AM because our supports refused to get Sheepsticks. Other than that, I don't see why he can't be beaten with disables. I played against a really good AM who ended up going 14-6 on Saturday and we won about 50 minutes in. How? Shut him down. Also, my team had great synergy and understood that "HEY, I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO STICK TOGETHER BUT LET ME FARM THIS REAL QUICK!" was not a good idea at the time.
Team play means so much. That's why I can't wait to play with all you guys!

hard to get random people to work together, look how well it's doing in BF3. which is why AM does so well...frustrating when people dont' call missing or ganks.
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I'm still waiting, wishing, and hoping for the moment when my beta key will arrive.
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I'm amazed at how many people in-game (Not you guys tongue.gif) keep raging about AM. They need to realize that once more heroes come into the beta, AM won't be as "OP" as they claim.
Naix/OD/SD/PA/Ursa/Lycan/Sylla/Naga/Bara/Bane/TB just to name a few that have yet to enter the pool. All can do a decent job at stopping AM with decent support. I think I have only played 1 or 2 games where I really felt helpless against AM because our supports refused to get Sheepsticks. Other than that, I don't see why he can't be beaten with disables. I played against a really good AM who ended up going 14-6 on Saturday and we won about 50 minutes in. How? Shut him down. Also, my team had great synergy and understood that "HEY, I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO STICK TOGETHER BUT LET ME FARM THIS REAL QUICK!" was not a good idea at the time.
Team play means so much. That's why I can't wait to play with all you guys!

More heroes will indeed help although as mentioned it isn't always easy to get 5 pubs to cooperate with one another.
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playdota has giveaways.

I've had an account there since 09, apparently the OG's get a higher portion of the inivites but still got nothing frown.gif
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I'm amazed at how many people in-game (Not you guys tongue.gif) keep raging about AM. They need to realize that once more heroes come into the beta, AM won't be as "OP" as they claim.
Naix/OD/SD/PA/Ursa/Lycan/Sylla/Naga/Bara/Bane/TB just to name a few that have yet to enter the pool. All can do a decent job at stopping AM with decent support. I think I have only played 1 or 2 games where I really felt helpless against AM because our supports refused to get Sheepsticks. Other than that, I don't see why he can't be beaten with disables. I played against a really good AM who ended up going 14-6 on Saturday and we won about 50 minutes in. How? Shut him down. Also, my team had great synergy and understood that "HEY, I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT TO STICK TOGETHER BUT LET ME FARM THIS REAL QUICK!" was not a good idea at the time.
Team play means so much. That's why I can't wait to play with all you guys!

did i play that game with you? i can recall a game where we were up against an AM, but then he couldnt escape late game cuz we kept ganking him and disabling. biggrin.gif
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playdota has giveaways.
I've had an account there since 09, apparently the OG's get a higher portion of the inivites but still got nothing frown.gif

I don't even have an account there, and if I created one right now I wouldn't be qualified to enter frown.gif
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